CC App Yet another New Computer Question

[Paul_DS256]

Lightroom Version Number

14.0.1

Operating System

1. Windows 10

Yes, I've seen how many times this question has been asked but I'm hoping my concern below is narrow enough. It is a basic PC vs MAC question and revolves around the rapidly use of the GPU.

• On a PC desktop, I can, and have upgraded my video card several times as Adobe requirements change. I feel this an advantage going forward in terms of supporting HW changes. I'm also wondering if Adobe sometime in the future will support multiple video cards.
• As much as I like the MAC, with it's new CPU, I'm concerned that I am looking at whole computer replacement in the future to support Adobe GPU requirements.

As much as I do not like Windows, I feel staying with a PC desktop is likely the safest choice. My use of LrC is fairly light but I can see using more of the AI capabities in the future.

Are my concerns warranted or am I chasing a red herring.

Thanks

 

[Paul_DS256]

Beginning to explore the use of the ARM architecture?

For at least the second time.

Windows on Arm Never Quite Took Off — Is That All About to Change? | Insight]

It appears that Microsoft is taking an x86 emulation route for this deployment on ARM similar to what Apple did for the M1 chip. The difference between the two is that Apple indicated it was dropping Intel processor support forcing developers to migrate to the M1 architecture. Microsoft has not made that call which means developers will need to considermaintaining two stacks for Windows; Intel and ARM which is costly.

I worked for a business software company that started on Windows only. With the demand for UNIX/Linux support the used a 3rd party x86 software library while maintaining a single Intel code stack. Now, this was for business software which does not have the same demands as Adobe products.

So, my question, is how will Microsoft entice developers to maintain two code stacks for windows for CPU/GPU intense applications that will support running under emulation mode?

 

[karl.nyhus]

... my question, is how will Microsoft entice developers to maintain two code stacks for windows for CPU/GPU intense applications that will support running under emulation mode?

The last time that Microsoft faced this dilemma, they simply abandoned ARM machines.

 

[clee01l]

The last time that Microsoft faced this dilemma, they simply abandoned ARM machines.

This time they may abandon Intel Machines. Or they may introduce a "Rosetta" type app to support Intel compiled execuatableson ARM as Apple has done

 

[BobT]

I've just upgrade Windows 11 to V24H2 which apparently has ARM enhancements. However, it's no use to me until the next build in another few years. So far it works just fine with LrC 14.0.1.

 

[PhilBurton]

So for people who have been reading this thread because they are thinking of upgrading their hardware, but who have not commented, are you thoroughly confused by this thread. I know I would be. There has been no mention of desktops sold by Dell, Lenovo, or HP, for example, yet I am going to hazard a guess that most people in this forum do not want to build their own desktops.

IF you do intend to buy a desktop from Dell, et all, be sure to check all the key specs, notably memory size, GPU model, and disk size, which will be an NVMe "stick." Be sure to check whether memory or disk drive components are soldered on to the motherboard or are upgradeable. If you aren't comfortable doing a GPU upgrade, for example, you can always get that done at a repair shop.

 

[BobT]

So for people who have been reading this thread because they are thinking of upgrading their hardware, but who have not commented, are you thoroughly confused by this thread. I know I would be. There has been no mention of desktops sold by Dell, Lenovo, or HP, for example, yet I am going to hazard a guess that most people in this forum do not want to build their own desktops.

IF you do intend to buy a desktop from Dell, et all, be sure to check all the key specs, notably memory size, GPU model, and disk size, which will be an NVMe "stick." Be sure to check whether memory or disk drive components are soldered on to the motherboard or are upgradeable. If you aren't comfortable doing a GPU upgrade, for example, you can always get that done at a repair shop.

Well, I'm a builder. I'd love to buy off the shelf but there just wasn't what I wanted without having to pay for a lot of stuff I didn't need.. What was saved in not paying for what's not needed, could be put into quality components. Also, I was able to use the premium HDDs from a previous build for backup drives. It's based on an Intell i7 12th gen. However, the motherboard is capable of accepting a 14th gen i9, so there is ample room for upgrading. Unfortunately it's not ARM capable. I'll need to see how that pans out but that's for another day.

 

[PhilBurton]

Well, I'm a builder.

Me too, Otherwise, how would I have the knowledge to be able to comment in this sort of thread.

I'd love to buy off the shelf

Last time I bought off the shelf was an IBM PC AT, in 1986. Even then Bought a separate HDD because the IBM HDDs were failing a lot. Then I upgraded the motherboard in the same case. And then ....

but there just wasn't what I wanted without having to pay for a lot of stuff I didn't need.. What was saved in not paying for what's not needed, could be put into quality components.

And with off the shelf components, you are not locked in to manufacturers' proprietary designs, e.g. Dell power supplies. Too bad we can't build our own cars.

Unfortunately it's not ARM capable.

Hard to imagine. Even with X86/64 CPUs, motherboards have to use a chipset designed to work with either Intel or AMD.

I'll need to see how that pans out but that's for another day.

On another website I read from time to time, there are all these debates about whether x86/64 CPUs will be replaced by ARM CPUs. A lot depends on the software vendors, starting with Microsoft.

 

[clee01l]

Me too, Otherwise, how would I have the knowledge to be able to comment in this sort of thread.

Last time I bought off the shelf was an IBM PC AT, in 1986. Even then Bought a separate HDD because the IBM HDDs were failing a lot. Then I upgraded the motherboard in the same case. And then ....



And with off the shelf components, you are not locked in to manufacturers' proprietary designs, e.g. Dell power supplies. Too bad we can't build our own cars.

Hard to imagine. Even with X86/64 CPUs, motherboards have to use a chipset designed to work with either Intel or AMD.


On another website I read from time to time, there are all these debates about whether x86/64 CPUs will be replaced by ARM CPUs. A lot depends on the software vendors, starting with Microsoft.

About 1986 or so I spec'd a tower computer at one of the local independent shops. When I went to pick it up, they wheeled out a cart loaded with boxes of components. It was at that point that I became a "builder". I stayed in that mode until I started needing a laptop. Later I would acquire a name brand box with most of the components and build upon that. Eventually I got tired of spending more time inside the box than outside. When I retired from my job as application developer, I no longer needed windows apps and all of the headaches that came with keeping a Windows machine in tune. I went over to the MacWorld and spend most of my time in front of the monitor than behind it.

I think RISC computers are probably the future. At least the immediate future. When I went Mac, Apple had only about 4% of the PC market. Now that number is 16%-20% Apple. I watched as Apple switched from PowerPC (IBM) to Intel and now their own Silicon. ( I came to Apple too late to use a Motorola based machine). One of the big reasons I went to a Mac was the interoperability of Apples Phones (RISC) , tablets (RISC) and MacOC (now RISC) RISC-V is open source and platform independent. That means that chip makers adopting this architecture are not constrained to a chip set Intel, AMD, Microsoft and Samsung can all compete and innovate to provide a successful competition to Apple's Silicon.

But this also means less need for individual builders to tinker. With Apple putting CPU, GPU and Memory on a single chip. How far away are we to having a whole System on a Chip (SoC)? My MacStudio is 20cmX20cmx10cm with considerable space used for ports and cooling fan.

 

[PhilBurton]

About 1986 or so I spec'd a tower computer at one of the local independent shops. When I went to pick it up, they wheeled out a cart loaded with boxes of components. It was at that point that I became a "builder". I stayed in that mode until I started needing a laptop. Later I would acquire a name brand box with most of the components and build upon that. Eventually I got tired of spending more time inside the box than outside. When I retired from my job as application developer, I no longer needed windows apps and all of the headaches that came with keeping a Windows machine in tune. I went over to the MacWorld and spend most of my time in front of the monitor than behind it.

I think RISC computers are probably the future. At least the immediate future. When I went Mac, Apple had only about 4% of the PC market. Now that number is 16%-20% Apple. I watched as Apple switched from PowerPC (IBM) to Intel and now their own Silicon. ( I came to Apple too late to use a Motorola based machine). One of the big reasons I went to a Mac was the interoperability of Apples Phones (RISC) , tablets (RISC) and MacOC (now RISC) RISC-V is open source and platform independent. That means that chip makers adopting this architecture are not constrained to a chip set Intel, AMD, Microsoft and Samsung can all compete and innovate to provide a successful competition to Apple's Silicon.

But this also means less need for individual builders to tinker. With Apple putting CPU, GPU and Memory on a single chip. How far away are we to having a whole System on a Chip (SoC)? My MacStudio is 20cmX20cmx10cm with considerable space used for ports and cooling fan.

My original 1985 vintage PC AT had lots and lots of chips on the motherboard. Then some smart vendors incorporated the functions of all those chips into "chipsets." It became easier to design and build motherboards. Maybe history will repeat itself.