What new PC spec for LR3?

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Triggaaar

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I'm enjoying the new beta for LR3, but I have loads of images to process and my old single core PC could do with an upgrade. As you increase the spend on a pc, the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty early and I'm wanting to find a nice balance between cost and performance.

So with that in mind, what would be a nice value and performance LR3 setup (for D7'' files)?
Here are some examples of what I'm looking at
AMD Athlon Dual core, Triple corre or Quad core? (intel i5 seems a fair bit more expensive
4 or 6 gb of DDR2 or DDr3
Graphics Card - not sure if I need to upgrade my old nvidea 66''GT in order to get high res on a new posh monitor, but if so, any recommendations?

Thanks
 
Well, my usual answer would be: It Depends!

It depends on a couple of things, not least of which is your budget. But also what your expectations are in terms of LR's performance on a new computer. There is plenty of good constructive advice on these boards as to what are the important features needed to make LR 'perform', and I availed myself of that advice when putting the specification together for my new PC which coincidentally was delivered yesterday (you may have heard the yell coming down the A23 about 8 a.m. :D :D). Given the importance of CPU speed and RAM I was always going to go i7 processor and at least 12GB of DDR3....my understanding at the moment is that Intel have a good performance advantage over AMD (if you have not already done so, have a look here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html). Graphics card was less important, so I didn't go too mad on that - ATi 575' 1gb, still very good even for gaming but certainly mid rather than top end performance and price - but having listened to some of the experts here I ended up going with a 4 internal hard drive configuration so I have separation of program files, catalog, ACR cache and image folders. I also spent some extra money on CPU liquid cooling plus a 'better' case.

Suffice to say, LR now really flies....a quick example is in the time taken to render 1:1 previews of my 5D MkII raw files (average 25mb+)....on my old machine LR2.6 would average around 9 seconds, LR3b2 would average around 14 seconds, on the new machine the per image rendering times are 2.7 and 3.6 seconds respectively. In Develop, switching from image to image takes between 2 and 3 seconds to complete the Loading step in LR2.6 (sliders are available in less than 1 second), and between 3 and 4 seconds in LR3b2 (again sliders available in less than a second).

I ended up going over my initial budget (no surprise there!!), and no doubt you could get a significant performance boost for less spend....as I said, a lot depends on your budget and what your expectations are.
 
I agree that buying the very top of the line brings some diminishing returns in terms of bang for the buck.

Having said that, going with an i5 or i7 is worth every penny. You might avoid the fastest of the i7 line due to price, but should go with one of the entry level i7s. If you go with an AMD triple or quad core at this point, you're spending money to upgrade and leaving yourself short. Intel's new stuff is really that good.

My approach has always been to avoid the most expensive, but to still spend a bit. That way, I can wait 2-3 times longer until I upgrade again. If I go with something well below the curve, I end up wanting to upgrade again earlier than I should.

Right now, I have a setup similar to TNG's. An i7 processor, 12GB RAM, a decent (but not great) video card. My machine flies with LR - no complaints at all. I bought mine about a year ago from iBuyPower.com and only spend around $13'' US for the whole custom setup - I'm sure it's less than that by now.

In short - stay away from the top of the line - but don't be afraid to spend some now. Otherwise, you'll just feel like you need to upgrade sooner than you should.
 
[quote author=TNG link=topic=948'.msg63893#msg63893 date=127'384271]It depends on a couple of things, not least of which is your budget. But also what your expectations are in terms of LR's performance on a new computer.[/quote]If LR ran fast enough on my old PC, I wouldn't upgrade. It's difficult to guess in seconds, but when changing images in the develop module I'd like it to be fast enough that I don't start huffing and puffing. I'm not trying to break any speed records, I just want to be able to work without being frustrated. So there's no fixed budget, if spending £3'' of MB, cpu & memmory isn't enough to get things running smoothly, I'll have to spend more.

my new PC which coincidentally was delivered yesterday (you may have heard the yell coming down the A23 about 8 a.m. :D :D).
I just came back from West Sussex, and they're still clearing the carnage on the A23.

Given the importance of CPU speed and RAM I was always going to go i7 processor and at least 12GB of DDR3
Ouch, that's expensive. I'm wanting to spend a lot less than that, but I haven't researched this until now, so I'm not really sure what LR would like. More memmory is good, but does LR keep lapping it up past 6 and 8 gig?

....my understanding at the moment is that Intel have a good performance advantage over AMD (if you have not already done so, have a look here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html).
I've not looked, I will do - I had heard intel had the advantge, certainly at the i7 end of things, but I wasn't sure lower down the line.

Graphics card was less important, so I didn't go too mad on that
Does LR make any use of advanced GCs or can I just use an old 66''GT? I'm not doing video, just stills.

having listened to some of the experts here I ended up going with a 4 internal hard drive configuration so I have separation of program files, catalog, ACR cache and image folders.
Ooo this sounds interesting - I have 4 hard drives, and I was thinking of running Raid ' for the OS, and possibly for the data too, but I don't know how LR works - when you choose a new image in the develop module does it keep it in memory until it needs to use the space for other more recently selected images, or swap it out as soon as you select a new image? So is there any advantage in using Raid '?

[quote author=breyman link=topic=948'.msg63894#msg63894 date=127'388419]Having said that, going with an i5 or i7 is worth every penny. You might avoid the fastest of the i7 line due to price, but should go with one of the entry level i7s. If you go with an AMD triple or quad core at this point, you're spending money to upgrade and leaving yourself short. Intel's new stuff is really that good.[/quote]So LR just can't get enough CPU then - interesting, thanks.

My approach has always been to avoid the most expensive, but to still spend a bit. That way, I can wait 2-3 times longer until I upgrade again. If I go with something well below the curve, I end up wanting to upgrade again earlier than I should.
Yes I do understand the logic, I've been buying PCs for nearly 2' years, but my requirements are different than they used to be. I need to be able to run LR without losing my marbles, but I don't need any more than that - and I don't plan on using a dslr with more than 12mp, and I won't be upgrading from Win7 for a good while (I'm still on XP). The only extra could be CS5, but hopefully that's one image at a time and shouldn't require much ore than LR.

Right now, I have a setup similar to TNG's. An i7 processor, 12GB RAM, a decent (but not great) video card. My machine flies with LR - no complaints at all.
I should hope not you lucky chap.

Thanks for the advice, it's on board.
 
Yes, processor is one of the major considerations. It provides the horsepower for exports, generating previews, local brush adjustments, etc. It's (the processor) one of the places you'll see the most bang for your buck. Certainly more important than the video card. I can't say if the 66''GT will work for sure, but I'd personally spend the money in this order if you already have 6 GB of RAM.

First, fast processor. Go i7 if you can - they're only around $2'' in the states.
Second, more (and faster - DDR3) RAM.
Upgraded hard drive (it doesn't sound like you need to spend $$ here - I'll place it here in order of importance, though).
Video card.

As a note, the video card (especially ones with good GPUs) will come in handier in Photoshop than Lightroom, if you do enough work on that side of things. A good, snappy processor is still king, though.

Good luck shopping! Components are dropping in cost every day - you might be able to get more than you think for your $$.

-Brian
 
Triggaaar, just picking up on a couple of your points:

Memory, no doubt 12gb is overkill on my part....just doing a bit of future-proofing really. 6gb would almost certainly be more than enough....I didn't see LR push anywhere close to that number.

CPU, yes it certainly can make quite extensive use of multiple cores so this is one area where perhaps you should try for the best that you can afford. Breyman certainly has it right, try for i7 if you can.

Graphics, if you're not doing video any mid-range card should suffice. Have a look at that CPU benchmark link that I gave you and you'll also find benchmark data for Video cards....your 66''GT is at the bottom of the 'high-end' list, so I would have thought still OKish.

Hard Drive setups - have a read through this thread: http://www.lightroomqueen.com/community/index.php?topic=2438.msg62428#msg62428 for some very useful imformation and you'll probably see why I ended up going with 4 drives. Didn't consider RAID ' at all as I wasn't sure the performance boost was worth it, but no doubt those who do use it will be better placed to answer that question.
 
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[quote author=breyman link=topic=948'.msg639'2#msg639'2 date=127'4'9427]I'd personally spend the money in this order...

First, fast processor. Go i7 if you can - they're only around $2'' in the states.
Second, more (and faster - DDR3) RAM.
Upgraded hard drive (it doesn't sound like you need to spend $$ here - I'll place it here in order of importance, though).
Video card.[/quote]Thanks Brian, useful.

[quote author=TNG link=topic=948'.msg639'4#msg639'4 date=127'41'577]6gb would almost certainly be more than enough....I didn't see LR push anywhere close to that number.[/quote]Have you tested how much memmory LR uses? If it's not using more than 4gb, that's what I'd get to start with (helps put the money elsewhere).

CPU, yes it certainly can make quite extensive use of multiple cores so this is one area where perhaps you should try for the best that you can afford. Breyman certainly has it right, try for i7 if you can.
Understood, thanks.

your 66''GT is at the bottom of the 'high-end' list, so I would have thought still OKish.
Blimey, didn't expect it to be in the high-end list (even though it's about a tenth of the speed of the leader) given how long I've had it and that it wasn't exactly fast when I got it. I'll try and stick with it until I have to change it. It's nice that building my own pc is finally paying dividens with some re-usable parts (case, dvd, hard drives, psu and now gc too, although a shame to keep throwing memory away which seems like a con).

Hard Drive setups - have a read through this thread: http://www.lightroomqueen.com/community/index.php?topic=2438.msg62428#msg62428 for some very useful imformation and you'll probably see why I ended up going with 4 drives. Didn't consider RAID ' at all as I wasn't sure the performance boost was worth it, but no doubt those who do use it will be better placed to answer that question.
Thanks, I'll check that out.
 
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