What imapcts the speed of rendering previews more??

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When zooming to 1:1 in Loupe view, The following hardware impacts the speed at which the computer can complete the "Render: Large Preview" in order of greatest to least impact...


(Just realized the poll as I set it up doesn't allow for order...and I can't see how to edit a poll, so...if you have a response, I guess wazabees format is fine instead of a poll)
 
Would this also be the same formula that would affect "loading" in develop module? I'm watching with hopes of getting a new pc later this year.
 
I'd go with HDD first, not sure about the other 2 though. Fred's probably right. I'll complicate matters though, and say it's not just which discs they're on, but more importantly the speed of the discs.
 
Yes. Loading means "reading the preview from disk".

I agree with wazabee... Within the constraints of relatively modern systems with average specifications, it's storage, then memory, then CPU.
 
I noticed a huge difference when i took my Ircat and images off my laptop HD and onto an external drive with more space.
 
That's interesting Brad - I would have expected it to be the other way round generally speaking, as internal drives are usually faster than externals. I guess the exception would be laptop drives, which may be slower drives. That must have been a very full hard drive, right?
 
What is it with you Michael, you ask the questions on my mind.. ah well less work for me there tee hee ;)

I've just been blessed (savings excluded) with a huge battleship of a machine (the Mac Pro isn't exactly small is it!) and specced it following advice given in this forum & others, plus a bit of Apple's generosity (oxymoron if ever there was one).

1:1 previews or loading in Develop module now takes my machine 2 seconds (up from, jeez, forever, on the stalwart PowerBook ;) ). All 8 cores are utilized uniformly and hit about 3'% during this operation. My working images are on a 1'K Raptor and consistently take 2 seconds to load. My archived images are on a 72'' drive (also internal) and consistently take 2.5 or 2.4 seconds to load.

So that's one bit of feedback regarding disk speed.
 
Exactly Victoria

i had 75 gigs of images on a 12'gig HD, so i think i had about 1' gig left.

The speed is pretty good, but i have a small cat. 35'' images only.
 
Since I don't know the inner workings of LR, I will give you the 'techie' version.

The slowest part of a computer is the network connection, so anything done through a network will be the first point to check. For example, I store my images on a networked 2TB Buffalo Raid server. The difference between G band wireless, 1'/1'' LANs and 1gb LAN's are huge. Using 1gb routers and network connections will speed things up quickly.

The second slowest part is the disk drive. We now have standard IDE drives (I will use IDE to include all enhanced IDE types), USB, Firewire, SCSI (scuzzie) and SATA. Yes, there are others like CF drives and USB keys, etc., but my guess is those won't be used for a working catalog). SATA is now the fastest access between the computer and the hard drive, internally. There are also enough advances that typically the enhanced IDE drives are about equal to SCSI drives. Newer laptops are starting to use SATA and this is what I would recommend as an internal drive. USB and Firewire is ok and faster than a network connection, but slower than an internal SATA drive.

Next, look at the type of hard drive and compare two properties: speed and cache. Speeds are the rate at which the hard drive spins. Compare this to the old records. The faster it spins, the faster the music, the slower it spins the slower the music. As long as the record spins, however, you still get music. Hard drive speeds range from 54''rpm (revolutions per minute) to 15,'''rpm. Typical laptop hard drives are still 54''rpm to help prevent damage when dropped, moved, or jostled (on an airplane, for example). Some laptop speeds have moved up to 72''rpm and are still reliable. There are enhanced hard drives for desk tops that move at 1',''' and 15,''' rpm, although these used to be the standard speeds for SCSI drives. Get the fastest one you can to increase speed.

The second property of the hard drives to evaluate is the cache. The larger the cache, the more image information can be read and passed to the computer. Well, not exactly, but from a user's standpoint that is true. I said previously that the connection to from the hard drive to the computer was the second slowest part. This means it get's really busy transferring data. You don't want the hard drive to sit around and wait for that connection to free up and take more data. So, the hard drive reads all it can and sends it to a cache where it waits to send data to the computer. Cache is memory which is about the fastest part of a computer. So, get the fastest hard drive with the largest cache you can.

Now we deal with some real hard core stuff. Do you have one hard drive or several in your pc? Laptop users really only have one option and that is a single hard drive. Desktop users can easily mount multiple hard drives. If you can do this, then consider a raid implementation. RAID deals with using multiple disks to act like one disk. RAID 1 is mirroring which is two hard drives exactly alike. In the real world, RAID 1 is slow to write but a little faster to read. This is because it is making a copy of everything sent to it on the second hard drive. Reading can take place with both hard drives, however, and speed us up a little (not twice as fast though, as you might think). The best speed up on read time is RAID ' where you have three disk drives that are striped. This means out of every 'file' you have parts on all three disk drives. This is fast read and write. You are using three drives based on their speeds to send data to one, when it's cache is full, move to the next to give the first time to write and so on. This gives you the fastest throughput getting data in and out of disk drives. RAID 5 is similar although there is a little extra data copied so that if a disk fails, you haven't lost any data. RAID 5 is a little slower than RAID 1 (mirrored), but much faster than RAID ' (striped). However, the speed tradeoff of RAID 5 is not much considering you have the safety of recovering when a single disk goes down.

Next would probably be the speed of your motherboard. It used to be we would all get a computer and then keep updating the processor going faster and faster. What we didn't get much of was an increase in the motherboard speed. Now you see speeds ranging from 1''mhz to 2''mhz and beyond. Buy the fastest motherboard you can get. This is like the hard disk connection, it moves data between your screen, keyboard, printer, disk drive, CPU and network. Everything goes through the motherboard at some time, so fast is best.

Then it could be a toss up between CPU speed, memory and video cards. Yes, remember that you have to put the image on the screen and a slow plain jane video card will slow down that image getting shown on the screen. I think the best bang for your buck is to increase all three of these things little by little. The fastest CPU with only 512mb in memory would be slower than a mid speed CPU with 2mb of memory. I would recommend getting as close to a 3ghz processor as you can, with twin processors (dual core) a real plus. Pay attention to the cache on these as well with a preference towards 1mb caches on the processor. Then slam as much memory as you can in your computer. 2gb is good, 4gb is great and more is better. Budgets get cramped fast in the memory department. Then splurge for a middle of the road video card that has more than 64mb or 128mb of memory. More memory typically means more colors on a bigger monitor.

You do have a big monitor don't you? Two? Even better, I am jealous!

I know this is a lot of 'stuff', but these are the areas you can really speed up processing and that's what lightroom really is.

My personal setup is this: PC, 3.2ghz dual core processors with 2mb of cache (1mb each), 4gb of memory, 512mb of viedo memory and a 2TB RAID 5 network disk drive. I chose to allow the speed decrease by using a 1gb network over an internal drive for backup reasons only.

Good luck!
 
David, that's absolutely brilliant, especially the plain & simple RAID explanations. Cheers.
 
David, thanks.. You've given an excellent response..

My new PC is:


Intel® Core™2 Duo E83'' processor (2.83 GHz, 6 MB L2 cache, 1333 MHz FSB), 4GB of RAM, with two internal drives... an 8' GB and 5''gb, 72'' rpm SATA 3.' Gb/s NCQ, Smart IV.

The weak link is the standard off the shelf video card. I haven't changed it as yet, but was close.

My original question was spawned by the discussion of where the different lightroom components should be installed... The Catalog file, the Preview file and the images...
 
i read a different location
where should i change the location?
and how can i do it?
thanks
 
David, I'm also running with a Buffalo 2TB server set for 1GB connected thru a 1gb router Linksys 35'N and a 3ghz pc w/2gb memory, P4 (not the fastest by today's standards) but am continually having significant delays with LR 1.41. The catalog files are on a second internal drive 25' gb approx 5'% full. Main photos are located on the Buffalo. As I indicated, LR is always going into limbo but eventually gets out of it. Keep thinking this may have something to do with the 1GB connection between my pc, the router and the Buffalo station. Would be curious to hear what you think might be causing my delays?

Thanks,
Matt
 
David you could not have explained it better than that. (I guess that's why you write some manuals).
People let me be the second to tell you that what David has described here even if it's bit technical he is absolutely right.
For those of us lucky enough to understand the inner workings of a computer (pc) is a blessing. As I have endeavored in this myself. Currently I opted out of buying the Intel Core2 Extreme QX9775 3.2GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 771 15'W Quad-Core Processor. I know this is hard core, but even with processors it's a huge impact (oh and by the way price for this chip around $15'') so unless you have a good chunk of change like David said look what the processor cache levels are, they do matter. This set-up here is one of many I say this because if you really want some horsepower (Speed of CPU Ghz Gigahertz, Cache and Front Side Bus,FSB is the data transfer bus that carries information between the CPU and the Motherboard). Last well not last but close is that motherboard and RAM so critical. I could go on and on but you get the idea knowing what you need your computer for is key. So much so that I am in the process of building a new computer minimizing what Vista loads in during the initial set-up. This has great benefits if, you are only going to use the computer for image processing only. I will let you know how it goes.
One thing I want to add here, I have found out that Lightroom in particularly possessor heavy meaning Lightroom needs a good processor to run at its best, not only the processor but, having a raid card (and a good one, again hard core here) speeds things up really nicely with scsi drives.

I’m putting this out here for people to know, I’m not pretending that I know everything nor will I ever, but I have some knowledge about PC’s.
 
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