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The Plunge (tm)

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Some may have interest in my saga of updating LR6 and PS CS6 to the Classic Photography 20 GB plan.

I do my research and in particular with this (read Victoria's book cover to cover before ever downloading anything CC) as this will be only my second subscription (Quicken was the first) and I am not fond of subscriptions. I was (am?) leary of an increased use of Memory and CPU as I keep a very clean and well oiled computer. Been doing this since 1986. Well experienced.

I started with downloading Adobe CC Desktop App. Amazingly bloated both in terms of diskspace used and the amount of temp files generated constantly. I disabled all I could "easily" and without any fear such as Sync (I never intend to sync files to the cloud), start with Windows, auto update - maybe a little more. Sync can only be PAUSED. Should be able to be DISABLED,imnsho. CC STILL starts Adobe CC Desktop Service which uses 130-150MB of RAM even though desktop has not yet run for the day, or session. It still runs core sync even though I have nothing synced nor intend to. I'd prefer those ran as needed if needed. But, with some tweaking I have it down to using an additional 4% of RAM not running than I was before the install. That's 1.28GB without anything Adobe CC running.

I next downloaded Bridge CC. Wish I had not. There is little compelling new over Bridge CS6 and while CS 6 was less than 150MB, Bridge CC is over 1.5 GB on diskspace. And has a multitude of phone homes, license checks, temp files - once again, with nothing running. Some of this is file sync foo in the background, again which I opt out of.

So, I now understand what CC Desktop and Bridge do and have it best configured as far as I can tell for my needs. I might save something turning Fonts off, but its on for now. Tomorrow will be LR and PS and will take some time to be sure that all my settings and prefs and presetss, etc are there and working as I hope they will and seeing what can be pared, if anything, to conserve resources. I am hoping that some function either from Adobe or Windows will run and purge at least some of the TEMP files and folders. Not manually deleting anything until I see what occurs "naturally". I do have CLEANMGR disabled in Windows as it creates a full DISM folder when it runs and never pruges them which requires admin rights, etc to remove manually. It does little positive to offset that hassle, so disabled it is. I doubt that would be what cleanses temps of Adobe at any rate.

What would I like to see so far?
  1. Sync able to be disabled
  2. CC Desktop remembering its last used position (sent a request to Adobe)
  3. Less bloat in TEMP and a better function of keeping that tidy
  4. At least asking to create desktop icons aftwer something CC installed
I'm sure there will be more.

I'll continue if any interest in what I find. No worries if not.

~Bob
 
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I am getting too many emails and notifications from Adobe.
Not sure about emails, but you can control notifications from the Creative Cloud Desktop app. Click on the "hamburger" menu icon in the top left, then choose File -> Preferences. Then choose Notifications in the menu bar on the left. You can toggle the types of notifications you receive.
 
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OK, need some help:

The previews folders in Classic are 10 times the size of LR 6! Why? I have both set to 1:1 for previews. Same images.

Do you all use 1:1?
Why the difference?
How to fix this?

Next, com.adobe.dunamis files are out of control. ANY idea what this is and how to turn it off? What app causes these?

And last, edited my first pic in Classic last night. Wanted to share. I think the clarity is outstanding and definitely improved from LR 6.

Appreciate some advice with the above.

TH HDR-1.jpg
 
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The previews folders in Classic are 10 times the size of LR 6! Why? ..

Do you all use 1:1?
Why the difference?
How to fix this?

Why do you assume that this is broken and needs fixing? There have been lots of changes since LR6 over 8 years ago. One difference can be explained by the retention date. Some previews are automatically deleted after a designated period. For your LR6 previews, that was many years ago and the Previews folder size has been reduced. If you rebuilt previews when you installed LrC, the it built them for all imported images. If you Let LrC use the existing previews on conversion, the the previews folder should be identical in size because it is the same folder.

I don’t create 1:1 previews on import but instead create only minimal previews. When I open an image for develop, LrC will then create a 1:1 preview ONLY if it needs one. This lets me import faster (time not spent building previews) And Culled images may get deleted soon after importing.

The price of storage has come down in the intervening 10 years and it is not uncommon for the primary disk to be 1TB today. To improve performance, it is more expedient to store previews just in case and this could account for the larger size

From time to time I delete the Previews folder and free up space. Lightroom will always start a new Previews folder when ever I access an image that has no previews. Images that I imported and finishes processing 10 years ago may never be accessed by Lightroom Classic again. If I do access these archaic images, it would be for a new Export to print and LrC can quickly build any Previews necessary for the Job.

Since I do not use my Desktop as a portable device and leave my master images on an EHD at home, There is no need for the Smart Previews folder either. So I have set LrC up to never create a smart Preview on import.


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Hi Clee.

Thanks. Reasonable question. Because the previews are a factor of 10 which I found suspicious! I immediately checked to be sure that I was creating 1:1 in LR 6 as well as Classic and I am. Same import preset, same setting. BTW, I noticed this when syncing to a third drive as I like to have 3 copies of my images and always added the catalog and previews to that. I sync both LR6 and Classic now. So watched it first few times to be sure it was working.

I do not create smart previews as well for the same reasons.

Should I delete the previews folder and let Classic rebuild to see what happens? You say might fall out. Is there a setting for that? (I think I recall something like 30 days - will look - could be the entire issue.) Out of curiousity, how large are the previews folder for you? 12,000 images and I am at 10GB, but maybe 650 mb in LR 6.

~Bob
 
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OK, I believe you are correct. New catalog copied from old created 1:1 previews for all images. set in catalog settings to keep for 30 days so have not fallen off like the LR6 have. Makes sense.

And thanks for the Notification tip in Desktop. Very helpful to get rid of the marketing side of things.

OK, now to research com.adobe.dunamis some more :)

Getting there.
 
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You can safely Delete the Previews Folder any time you do not have LrC open. A New empty Previews folder will be created the next time you open your master catalog in LrC.

FWIW my Previews folder (created in 12/2012) is currently ~42GB and I have ~25K images. It has been some time since I deleted my Previews Folder. Noting the creation date for my previews folder, It was apparently created with LRv4.
 
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Thanks. My previews are now starting to shrink. Under control.

Did a little testing. a new log in com.adobe.dunamis is created when ANY CC program opens which for me is PS, LR and Bridge. Each creates a file, each and every time it is opened.
 

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Re CS6 asking for you to accept the new license. My understanding is that when you install Creative Cloud, even if its just as a trial the CS6 Apps adopt the new Creative Cloud License. The Creative Cloud install used to include the CS6 apps under download previous versions, if they were already installed they'd show up in Creative Cloud's Installed Apps. Effectively you have upgraded/lost the permanent license and moved to the subscription. Once you stop subscribing (or the trial period finishes) If you do change your mind, I'm not sure you'll be able to go back to CS6 without Adobe Customer Support being willing to help.
 
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Re CS6 asking for you to accept the new license. My understanding is that when you install Creative Cloud, even if its just as a trial the CS6 Apps adopt the new Creative Cloud License. The Creative Cloud install used to include the CS6 apps under download previous versions, if they were already installed they'd show up in Creative Cloud's Installed Apps. Effectively you have upgraded/lost the permanent license and moved to the subscription. Once you stop subscribing (or the trial period finishes) If you do change your mind, I'm not sure you'll be able to go back to CS6 without Adobe Customer Support being willing to help.
Thanks, BUT I fully understood I *think* from Victoria's book AND from discussions here I would NOT lose my perpetual licenses. I hope you are wrong. Can anyone verify either way for sure??
 
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Re: Lightroom v6 (only)- you do 'lose' your perpetual license, when the CC Desktop App is installed for CC apps, Lightroom v6.14 becomes Lightroom CC2015.14 The licensing method changes, and so requires a subscription payment just as does the current Lightroom-Classic v12.5

Re: Photoshop CS6- TBMK the situation is the same as for Lightroom.

Anyway, both Lr6 and CS6 are very rapidly becoming totally obsolete requiring workarounds to install, if that is at all possible. With upgrades to operating systems- being impossible to install will be inevitable.
 
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Checking further, not that I dont trust you Rob. But I am SURE I read before taking The Plunge that LR6 remained as it was unless I edited an image in the new process. I do have license key and original install files. This would upset me, even though I may never use it again.

MORE:

If I recall dates, I installed CC Desktop 8/25. On 8/30 I installed the trial iof the Photography Plan with LR Classic and PS. I was billed for the first time on 9/7. Today is 9/10. Not ONE Adobe temp files has been cleaned or dropped off. They continue to grow daily. Windows Disk Cleanup does not remove any Adobe temp file as well. Bothersome.

Tonight I got notice CC Desktop had an update when booting. Unsure if I only get these on reboots or not. Do not recall seeing one other than on reboot. BUT - cannot find a "what's new" or changelog anywhere. How do Ifind out what has changed?
 
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Check your version number... mine matches the last update version number
 
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