Stange whitebalance problem with RAW/DNG files

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I have a very strange problem when trying to set the whitebalance on some raw-files. Ive just been taking my first underwater pictures with manual whitebalance, using my canon 5'D. Now the images looks great on the camera display. However when I take them into lightroom, a very green cast is put on all the images. I then tried to correct this by using the colorpicker to set the whitebalance but whatever I do I cant get rid of this green color.
Now heres the strange part. I right click on the photo in lightroom and choose "edit in photoshop". This creates a tiff copy which is also brought into lightroom. Now, when the colorspace is changed to RGB in this tiff image, I try to use the colorpicker again to set the whitebalance, and boom, I get the colors I want just the way I saw them on the camera display.
Can anybody tell me why this is and why I am unable to get the correct color of the whitebalance in the raw pictures?
Ive attached 2 screenshots to show how much of a difference there is between the two.

Thanks :)
 
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I'm not sure I have a complete answer or if I'm even on target.
First, White balance corrections in the camera should not affect the RAW image I'm not certain what processing Canon might be doing to your unprocessed RAW images. The images on the camera display are camera processed JPEGS using all the in camera filters you or Canon elect to apply. They should not affect the CR2 Image file This is display iamage is the JPEG image you would get if you shoot JPEG or RAW+JPEG.

Second, When you import your CR2 files do you apply any develop setting on import or use the LR Defaults? This will affect how the RAW image appears in LR. Take one of the green Negatives and apply only the LR Preset "General Zeroed" and try to adjust the WB from that point. Do you get better results?

Third, In Develop on the right panel collection, in the Camera Calibration Panel, what profile is LR using? Are there other choices? How do they affect the 'green tint? The 5'D is a 'new' model' Is it listed in the camera profiles under Camera Standard?
 
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Thanks for ur answer :)

I do know that whitebalance correction in the camera should not affect the CR2 file, since this is the negative. But why I am unable to create the same colors from this file directly in LR is a complete mystery to me. Ive never seen this problem before but then again, Ive never been shooting pics in theese lightconditions before as well.

Ive tried doing what uve said about applying the "General Zeroed" but its the same thing. When I colorpick the whitebalance its still stays green.
Ive checked the camera calibration and its set to adobe standard. Ive tried running through all the others "camera standard, camera landscape" etc. but nothing changes the green tint. The color profile on the camera itself is set to standard.
Im pretty sure the 5'D should be listed as im running LR 2.5.
How can u check wich cameras is listed, just to be sure?

Thanks
 
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[quote author=Henrik198' link=topic=7879.msg5382'#msg5382' date=12534'4676]... Ive checked the camera calibration and its set to adobe standard. Ive tried running through all the others "camera standard, camera landscape" etc. but nothing changes the green tint. The color profile on the camera itself is set to standard.
Im pretty sure the 5'D should be listed as im running LR 2.5.
How can u check wich cameras is listed, just to be sure?

Thanks
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1) You'll find the installed camera profiles under "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles"

2) Can you upload your DNG to somewhere so we can have a look at it?

Beat Gossweiler
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Henrik,

Check this location
C:\Program Data\Adobe\Camera Raw\
 
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Henrik,

1) Your profile sais WinXP, you might want to update it. The path I mentioned is valid for XP.

2) Same strange behaviour as you describe on my LR 2.4, with EOS 5'D profiles installed.

3) How did this DNG get created? I guess upon import into LR? Do you have the CR2 available also? How does the CR2 look in DPP? Can you also upload it?

4) I can see that the image was shot with a WB of 52''K, LR shows it with 1125'K, strange ....
 
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Some more info:

1) This is an issue of ACR interpreting the DNG, not a LR issue. Same behaviour opening the image in PSE with Camera Raw 5.5.

2) I notice that upon import into ACR, Color Temp is set to 1125', Tint to +15' (the maximum).
If I adjust the WB of an exported JPG of the image to about what you like, tint needs even another +75, which you cannot do with the DNG, since it's already at max.

Would be nice to see what the CR2 looks like.
 
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Goodmorning :)
Thanks for ur replies so far!

Ok, Ive looked in C:\Program Data\Adobe\Camera Raw\ and the canon 5'D is installed.

The DNG was created inside LR after I imported the CR2. Same problem with the CR2

Ive just installed the DPP sofware and try to check the CR2. Here it looks fine...

Ive uploaded the CR2 file for you to have a look. You can get it here: www.animato.dk/img_9116_cr2.zip
 
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Hendrik

Unfortunately I'm not able to help you anymore on this. I think the problem lies in the maximum of +15' ticks of Tint.

I would suggest you post this problem in the Adobe Camera Raw Forum, as it's an ACR issue. I would insert the link to the CR2 file there and mention that it processes fine in DPP.

Good Luck, I'll follow your thread there if you post.
 
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