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Spot Heal Before Masking Sky

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I just came across a problem today working on an image. I tried to clone/heal a background tower out and was always left with a 'ghost'. I happen to find the answer in the Adobe LrC Forum here. So it looks like an undocumented feature that some things need to be done before Masking. Others may have already been aware of this but it was new to me.
 
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Yes, this is a known issue. Not an ‘undocumented feature’, but a bug, if you ask me.
 
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Agree. Sorry, 'undocumented feature' was a euphemism we used to describe a software problem when I worked at DEC ;)
I know that phrase, but because Rikk says in the linked discussion that it’s “as designed” right now, I make it a point that I would call this design a bug. I understand what happens and why it happens, but the user should not be forced into a certain workflow just because Adobe did not provide the option to regenerate an A.I. mask.
 

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I know that phrase, but because Rikk says in the linked discussion that it’s “as designed” right now, I make it a point that I would call this design a bug. I understand what happens and why it happens, but the user should not be forced into a certain workflow just because Adobe did not provide the option to regenerate an A.I. mask.
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On this Adobe webpage, https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/optimize-performance-lightroom.html, a bit more than halfway down the page, there is this statement:

Note: Performing spot healing first improves the accuracy of the spot healing, and ensures the boundaries of the healed areas match the spot location.

So even though Adobe recommends that Detail Operations be done last, Spot Healing seems to be an exception due to the design of the software.

So is this behavior a bug? A design feature? I think neither. II would prefer to regard this issue as an imperfect implementation of this feature.

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Is this the explanation ?
  • Select Sky and Select Subject are NOT based on the unadjusted RAW but the current processed version of the image.
  • On the other hand, range masks ARE based on the unadjusted RAW.
From Greg Benz : https://gregbenzphotography.com/#
According to Greg, this is resp. 'fine and ideal' ......

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Yes, I think that is the explanation. Select Sky will (may) not mask a spot in that sky, so any adjustments you make with a sky mask will not affect that spot. If you then remove that spot, you would have to regenerate the mask, otherwise that spot will still not be adjusted, meaning it will remain faintly visible. The solution is obviously to (auto) regenerate the mask, not telling people they will have to use a particular working order.
 

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The solution is obviously to (auto) regenerate the mask, not telling people they will have to use a particular working order.
Johan,

I agree with you 100%. We have been told that the order that we apply edits to an image does not matter, because Lightroom will apply edits in a pre-determined order. The advice to do spot healing first obviously breaks that model. I didn't do my earlier post because I agreed with Adobe, but to point out that Adobe is aware that doing ALL Detailed Operations last creates a problem with editing.

I am going to surmise that Adobe's exception here is due to engineering factors and overall priorities for improvements , more than anything else.

Phil Burton
 
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