Something has changed, what??

[ernie]

I guess somehow I have managed to change some seemingly little setting (there must be a thousand) and things are not as I had them. My "normal" procedure is to edit the raw shots and then export them as jpg to the original folder. I check the box to add back to catalog, and uncheck stack with original.
Sidenote-I say normal because in addition to this workflow for current shots taken now, as time permits, I am adding all my older stuff to the LR catalog and keywording it. I'm trying to re-do my file structure as I import it by using the "move and add to catalog" choice. And I am setting it all up with a year>quarter>folder name/date system.
Now, back to current workflow. After the newly created jpgs are back into the catalog the jpg and cr2 files were right next to each other. This is how I want it. NOW, for some ungodly reason, all the jpgs are in the front half of the folder and the cr2s are in the back half. How do I get this back the way it was and prevent it from happening again?
ALSO. I thought that when I keyworded the files before I exported them that those keywords would be applied to the newly created files as they were imported right back into LR. I'd have sworn that it was doing this. I just did a batch of 3'' files with many different keywords and the jpgs have no keywords applied. RATS!!! And they're all at the front of the folder. Is there an easy way to apply those keywords without having to manually do each image?
I truely love LR but there are SO many settings and boxes that one has to be a guru to keep up with them all-or just do one thing and never vary from that. Thanks, Ernie

 

[Brad Snyder]

Ernie,

a) check your sort order in the Library toolbar, or menus. Sounds like your sorting on filetype, file extension, or added order, instead of file name or capture order.
b) not sure, I'll have to think about it.
c) In library, *most select an image with the correct metadata, select any additional images missing the identical metadata, and at Lower Right Panel, choose Sync Metadata. In the resulting dialog, disable everything except the keyword panel.

 

[Brad Snyder]

Following up on the failure to create keywords in the derivative files.

Your reasoning is almost correct. The keywords should be created in the exported JPG files at export time, and then reimported with the keywords intact. Two things I know of can affect this. Ensure that 'minimize embedded metadata' is not checked at export time. Also, check the setting of 'Write keywords as hierarchy' in the same place, it affects the inclusion of 'parent' keywords in the export files.

 

[ernie]

Ah Brad, that's why you're a genius guru. Sort was on file type. I changed it to file name and Presto- just the way I wanted it. They should name that display order instead of sort order.
Minimize imbeded metadata was checked. Don't know why or how, but...
Now, If I "most" select one cr2 and also select all the jpgs, will just the metadata from that one cr2 be applied to all the jpgs? many different pics have different keywords. My idea-will this work? What if I delete all the jpgs from the catalog and on disc, then just export everything again (with the proper sort chosen and minimize embeded metadata unchecked). Shouldn't that put me where I need to be?
And when I uncheck minimize.. then should the write keywords as hierarchy be checked or unchecked?

 

[Kiwigeoff]

Either option should work, if you have only a few sync them. If there are lots of different keywords in different files deleting the jpegs and re-exporting maybe the best option.

 

[ernie]

Yes geoff, I have a bunch of different ones. What about the keywords as hierarchy checkbox, which way should that go?

 

[Brad Snyder]

Ernie, that has to do with whether you want 'parent' keywords included with their children. This only applies if you have your keywords set up as a hierarchy. If all your keywords are on a single level, then it doesn't matter.

lame example:
living things
..>people
..>animals
..>..>reptiles
..>..>mammals
..>..>..>cat

With the hierarchy off, you just get cat. With the hierarchy on, you get living things, animals, mammals and cat. (Subject to the individual tag settings as well). I only mentioned this because it can be a source of confusion between 'metadata saved' files, and 'exported' files. 'Metadata saved' files *always get the hierarchy. Exported files it's optional.

I expect you want to export the hierarchy.

 

[ernie]

OK Brad, I think I understand that.But let me sort of reverse it. If I searched for animals then all three (reptiles, mammals,cat) would show up in the results, right. And this is even without it checked, right?

 

[Brad Snyder]

OK, still not simple

Within Lightroom, the original CR2, files would show up under 'animals', regardless of the hierarchy export setting.

The reimported JPG files depend: yes, if hierarchy exported; no if not. (The same is true with the exported JPG files while using some search tool external to Lightroom.)

 

[ernie]

OK. You're right, still not simple, but then not much in LR is. I think I understand it now, but remembering it is another story.
Anyway, I believe I'll just leave hierarchy checked (I only have a couple hierarchies though) since it seems that if you're searching for something too many choices are better than too few. Thanks to everyone for all the help. Ernie