Saving Changes to original RAW files...

[joemontana57]

I'm a brand new user of Lightroom 2.'
I use a program called BreezeBrowser Pro to make web galleries which I then ftp up to my website, http://dogshots.biz

I generally don't take the time to do a lot of editing since I have so many shots, but sometimes I like to crop or adjust brightness, when I have to do this I use Canon DPP

I just downloaded the demo of Lightroom 2.' to check it out. I really like the way it works, edits are much quicker than using DPP.

However, the edits don't seem to be saved. Here's what I do.

I download the pictures from the camera onto my external hard drive. Not sure what the right thing to do next is. What I did this time was Import them into LR, then did some crops, etc.
But they didn't seem to "stick", in other words, when I open the pictures from the external hard drive in Breeeze Browser Pro, they are unedited.

Is there a way to either edit the originals, or replace the originals with images edited in Lightoom?,
I don't want to convert them to JPG, BBPro will let me dump the RAW files into it, then make web galleries straight from RAW.

Thanks,

 

[Kiwigeoff]

I'm a brand new user of Lightroom 2.'
I use a program called BreezeBrowser Pro to make web galleries which I then ftp up to my website, http://dogshots.biz

I generally don't take the time to do a lot of editing since I have so many shots, but sometimes I like to crop or adjust brightness, when I have to do this I use Canon DPP

I just downloaded the demo of Lightroom 2.' to check it out. I really like the way it works, edits are much quicker than using DPP.

However, the edits don't seem to be saved. Here's what I do.

I download the pictures from the camera onto my external hard drive. Not sure what the right thing to do next is. What I did this time was Import them into LR, then did some crops, etc.
But they didn't seem to "stick", in other words, when I open the pictures from the external hard drive in Breeeze Browser Pro, they are unedited.

Is there a way to either edit the originals, or replace the originals with images edited in Lightoom?,
I don't want to convert them to JPG, BBPro will let me dump the RAW files into it, then make web galleries straight from RAW.

Thanks,

I know nothing about BB but have you tried the "Web" in LR? I thimk you would be able to do something with that.
LR edits may be only available in LR and ACR/PS. The idea being that raw files remain unaltered.
To overcome this I convert my raw files to DNG on import and with these files the changes are written into the file as instructions. Whether BB could read these or not I do not know.
I imagine all images uploaded to the web have copies rendered along the way.

Hope that helps and welcome to the forum...... enjoy!!:lol:

 

[joemontana57]

I tried that option in LR 1.X, wasn't really impressed. I'm used to using BB so hate to fart around with another app to do the same thing, but I'll at least look.

I know nothing about BB but have you tried the "Web" in LR?

 

[Kiwigeoff]

I tried that option in LR 1.X, wasn't really impressed. I'm used to using BB so hate to fart around with another app to do the same thing, but I'll at least look.

Looking at your site I can see why!!:lol:
Maybe you would be best setting up an export preset to save jpegs of the appropriate size to upload.

 

[joemontana57]

That's the cool thing about BBrowser Pro. I do a File->Open, pointing it to my original RAW files.
I just right click and choose HTML, I have it set up to just show the filenumbers, but if one chooses there a a ton of different templates.
BBPro then makes a web gallery, including thumbnail and display jpegs and an index page.
All I need to do is edit the index page a bit, then make the links for the different classes. It's really pretty painless.:cheesy:

Maybe you would be best setting up an export preset to save jpegs of the appropriate size to upload.

 

[Anthony.Ralph]

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However, the edits don't seem to be saved. Here's what I do.

I download the pictures from the camera onto my external hard drive. Not sure what the right thing to do next is. What I did this time was Import them into LR, then did some crops, etc.
But they didn't seem to "stick", in other words, when I open the pictures from the external hard drive in Breeeze Browser Pro, they are unedited.

Is there a way to either edit the originals, or replace the originals with images edited in Lightoom?,
I don't want to convert them to JPG, BBPro will let me dump the RAW files into it, then make web galleries straight from RAW.

Thanks,

Perhaps I can add a couple of points?

Firstly, edits to RAW files are kept in Lightroom but can be written out to an XMP file alongside the RAW original. To do this select one or more images and hit CTRL-S. You should be able then to see the changes when opening the RAW file in other applications.

Lightroom has a Web production module which is worth looking at. It will produce web pages and as part of the process, will create the JPG files needed from the RAW ones.

As a general point, I would suggest that the original RAW files should be kept 'as are' as they constitute your 'digital negatives'. FWIW I download my RAW files, converting them to DNG to create a set of working files and copy off the orginals to a separate location for archiving (and safety). One advantage of DNG is that the XMP data are contained within the DNG together with a JPG preview.


Does this help?

Anthony.

 

[Denis de Gannes]

Quote "You should be able then to see the changes when opening the RAW file in other applications."

Not as far as I am aware. Edits made in LR, particularly in the develop module, even if the info is stored in XMP sidecar or DNG file, can only be read by LR and ACR 4.x in PS CS3.

The same way LR will not read edits that you have done in BB or Bibble.

To view the changes you have made in LR in other applications you would have to do an export from LR as a JPG or TIFF/PSD, or use the "Edit in function" where LR will create a tiff file and send this to the other editor.

 

[luckystokes]

In Lightroom, ...Catalog Settings....Metadata make sure you have you checked "automatically write changes to XMP". Otherwise all your changes are just in the catalog and can't be read by anything but Lightroom. Whether or not Breezbrower can read them, I couldn't say.

Lucky

 

[Denis de Gannes]

In Lightroom, ...Catalog Settings....Metadata make sure you have you checked "automatically write changes to XMP". Otherwise all your changes are just in the catalog and can't be read by anything but Lightroom. Whether or not Breezbrower can read them, I couldn't say.

Lucky

Yes and right below "automatically write changes to XMP" there is a warning.
"Warning: Changes made in Lightroom will not automatically be visible in other applications."
Particularly the edits made in develop mode will not be read.

 

[bschaldon]

I've got BB Pro too, and I do use it for certain web pages, but only because I have tailored a template in the past and want to retain the look and feel. However, I wouldn't dream of using it for raw files - LR is infinitely better suited to this, and generating a web gallery is no more difficult, although the built-in templates are fairly limited, many more are available on the net. Alternatively, as has been suggested, you can use an export preset to produce jpegs and then run them through BB.

 

[Anthony.Ralph]

Quote "You should be able then to see the changes when opening the RAW file in other applications."

Not as far as I am aware. Edits made in LR, particularly in the develop module, even if the info is stored in XMP sidecar or DNG file, can only be read by LR and ACR 4.x in PS CS3.

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I have just tested this in DPP and find Denis to be totally correct. My apologies if I had raised anyone's hopes.

Anthony.

 

[Brad Snyder]

Joe, can BreezeBrowser work with DNGS? One of the advantages of converting raws to DNGs within LR is that the DNG will maintain (if options are set properly) a current accurate preview of the edited image.

You could perhaps use your most of your raws straight into BB, except when you edit in LR, you could convert those to DNG.

 

[Clicio Barroso]

Joe, can BreezeBrowser work with DNGS?

Yes, if one select all edited DNGs and click on Metadata>"Update DNG Previews & Metadata" the right previews will be available to other external applications.
:shock:

 

[Denis de Gannes]

The OP said
Quote "Is there a way to either edit the originals, or replace the originals with images edited in Lightoom?,
I don't want to convert them to JPG, BBPro will let me dump the RAW files into it, then make web galleries straight from RAW."

Being able to view the previews of LR raw edits would not allow him to make web galleries straight from the raw files and include the LR edits.

 

[Brad Snyder]

Perhaps I should have said:

".....converting raws to DNGs within LR is that the DNG will EMBED(if options are set properly) a current accurate preview of the edited image, within the DNG, available for the use of any DNG capable software."

 

[Denis de Gannes]

Perhaps I should have said:

".....converting raws to DNGs within LR is that the DNG will EMBED(if options are set properly) a current accurate preview of the edited image, within the DNG, available for the use of any DNG capable software."

Brad, I know and understand what you are saying but my point is that it still does not make it possible for the other raw converter to work with the raw file including the LR edits. Even If its possible to work with the jpeg preview would it not be better to export a jpg file with the LR edits or use the "edit in" feature and send a tiff to the other program.

 

[Brad Snyder]

Oh, I definitely agree, just that the OP didn't want to be bothered with that.

 

[Denis de Gannes]

Thanks Brad just needed to make sure that my understanding of the basic functions of LR was ok.

 

[joemontana57]

I also wouldn't use BB to *edit* RAW files, and I too have customized a template to get exactly what I want in my web gallery.
That being: watermark on each picture, the filename in the corner.

I've got BB Pro too, and I do use it for certain web pages, but only because I have tailored a template in the past and want to retain the look and feel. However, I wouldn't dream of using it for raw files - LR is infinitely better suited to this, and generating a web gallery is no more difficult, although the built-in templates are fairly limited, many more are available on the net. Alternatively, as has been suggested, you can use an export preset to produce jpegs and then run them through BB.

 

[Denis de Gannes]

OK Joe, I trust you now have your workflow sorted out.

 

[Victoria Bampton]

Hi Joe, welcome to the forum!

The other bit that's missing from this thread is WHY it's worked ok with DPP. Breezebrowser uses Canon's own SDK, which is why it can read and apply the changes you made to the raw file in DPP. That same theory won't work with LR though, I'm afraid, although there's a chance that a DNG with a large enough preview may be enough.

 

[Clicio Barroso]

...although there's a chance that a DNG with a large enough preview may be enough.

That is what I was talking about in my last post to this thread; maybe I was not clear enough.
Besides ACR 4.5, some other applications can display the edited DNG (preview), but not work on the localized corrections.
Regards,