Problem Printing from Lightroom

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I am getting some very strange colours when printing, and sometimes almost B&W.

I have to send the photo to CS2 and print using printer colour management, to get a satisfactory result.

I think the image is being colour managed twice in LR, but I don't know how to fix it.

Is there a way to print from LR using either LR or printer for colour mgt - just like CS2 has?

Just for reference - I am using a Canon PIXMA iP42'' printer.
 
kitten5'';1'73 said:
I am getting some very strange colours when printing, and sometimes almost B&W.

I have to send the photo to CS2 and print using printer colour management, to get a satisfactory result.

I think the image is being colour managed twice in LR, but I don't know how to fix it.

Is there a way to print from LR using either LR or printer for colour mgt - just like CS2 has?

Just for reference - I am using a Canon PIXMA iP42'' printer.

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This ought to be fairly straight forward, however we don't know which OS system you are using. Also tell us what steps you are making in LR, what colour settings in PS, if you have your monitor calibrated.
 
Also tell us what steps you are making in LR, what colour settings in PS, if you have your monitor calibrated.

Off to update the Forum Rules a bit...
 
Yes - I have the monitor calibrated.

Under Print Job
I have "Managed by printer" and "Perceptual" selected

Print resolution is 24'ppi
and sharpening is low

The rest of the settings under print I have left at the default - I don't believe they would impact colour.

Using these settings the colour of the print is almost completely desaturated and nowhere near the colour on the screen.
 
kitten5'';1'95 said:
Yes - I have the monitor calibrated.

Under Print Job
I have "Managed by printer" and "Perceptual" selected

Print resolution is 24'ppi
and sharpening is low

The rest of the settings under print I have left at the default - I don't believe they would impact colour.

Using these settings the colour of the print is almost completely desaturated and nowhere near the colour on the screen.

Thanks, what you have supplied is most helpful.
What you need to do is this and this is Mac:
1. Do the "page set up"
2. set the "Print settings" menu and set the print settings in there, then set the colour management to OFF - this is most important. Save these settings as "standard". Don't worry LR remembers each template, so standard is standard for this template.
4. Then in the "print job">color management, select "other". This will give you a menu of paper/printer icc profiles to select from. Select the one you want.
5. select the rendering intent of your choice.
You ought to get very close prints now.

Hope that assists you.
 
Thankyou - the site has heaps of great information.
Although in the printing video - I am pretty sure that I had already tried what was suggested. I will give it another go -maybe I missed something - I will get back to you if I am still having problems.
Thanks again
 
No - still have not found the problem. The solution must be as clear as the frustrated look on my face, but I can't see it. :?
 
kitten5'';12'2 said:
No - still have not found the problem. The solution must be as clear as the frustrated look on my face, but I can't see it. :?

Ok Jenny, can you please detail from go to whoa exactly the steps you take in LR and what your colour set up is in PS.
 
kitten5'';12'6 said:
I have to go to work right now - but will get back to you later. Thanks.

Enjoy your day!!
 
kitten5'';12'6 said:
I have to go to work right now - but will get back to you later. Thanks.

Eesh... going to work now?
 
Now, now Ian - no need to beat yourself up, we can do that!!!:twisted::twisted:
 
I may need some help here - but I will try to give you what you need.

LR
In the Print module under Print Job I have tried 2 main ways of printing - i will explain both and the result I get (I will not go into the areas of Image Settings, Layout and Overlays as I believe they have no bearing on my problem).

Processs 1
1. Draft mode - not ticked
2. Print Resolution - 24'ppi
2. Print sharpening - ticked and medium
4. Profile - Managed by Printer
5. Rendering Intent: Perceptual (but i have tried all 4 and there in no significant difference)
6. Then selecting Page Setup or Print Settings - the same popup screen called Print Setup is displayed (makes no difference which button I press at this point).
7. Under the popup screen (Print Setup) I select the printer (Canon iP42''), paper size and source and orientation. I also click on the Properties button and another popup screen (Canon iP42'' Properties) is presented.
8. Under the popup screen (Canon iP42'' Properties) there are a number of tabs:
9. Under Main I select paper type (I am using Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy). Print Quality = High. Colour/Intensity = Auto
1'. Under the other Tabs (Page Setup, Effects, Profiles and Maintenance) I don't usually touch these unless to reconfirm page size and layout under the Page setup tab.
11. I then OK out of these screens, click on the Print button in LR and click on OK to print.
12. The printed image is very unsaturated.

Processs 2 (is the same as above but with the following difference)
4. Profile - Canon ip42'SP4 (I have also tried Canon ip42'SP2) both give similar results)
12. The printed image is extremely saturated.

Photoshop
I am working in RGB: sRGB IEC61966-2 (don't know it that is relivent?).
To Print I have tried 2 different approaches of either letting Photoshop determine colours or my printer, both give similar results, but I usually select my printer option.

Here is the process for selecting Let Photoshop determine colour:
1. I select - Print with preview.
2. Under Colour managment Proof = Document.
3. Let Photoshop determine colour
4. Print Profile is automatically selected as Workin RGB: sRGB IEC61966-2
5. Rendering - I leave at Perceptual
6. I set the position and scale as needed.
7. Then I click on Page setup.
8. A Page Setup popup screen and I set the paper size and orintation and then click on the Printer button.
9. Another Page Setup popup screeb appears - this time the same as LR - I then follow steps 7 to 1' as listed unter LR (ist the same process)
1'. I then OK out of these screens, click on the Print button in Photoshop Print popup screen and then I click on OK to print.

Here is the process for selecting Let Printer determine colour:
1. I select - Print with preview.
2. Under Colour managment Proof = Document.
3. Let Printer determine colour
4. Print Profile is greyed out (disabled)
5. Rendering - I leave at Perceptual
6. The rest is all the same as point 6 to 1' above for letting Photoshop determine colour.

I hope this is what you needed to know.
 
LR
Processs 1

4. Profile - Managed by Printer

9. Under Main I select paper type (I am using Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy). Print Quality = High. Colour/Intensity = Auto

12. The printed image is very unsaturated.

Processs 2 (is the same as above but with the following difference)
4. Profile - Canon ip42'SP4 (I have also tried Canon ip42'SP2) both give similar results)

12. The printed image is extremely saturated.

It seems there is a Color Management problem with this workflow, Kitten.

Under process 1,
If the color management and the profile are managed by the printer, the Colour/Intensity option could be altered (and not be set on auto); perhaps your printer driver in "auto" is being too conservative. Did you try altering these options?

Under process 2,
I can't see any problem with the profile, *unless* you didn't turn off the color management of your printer (you didn't list in your post turning it off); if you didn't, LR is going to perform its conversion *and* the printer is going to make another conversion; double conversions never work.

I hope more opinions on this matter will help you solve it!

:|
 
I will try your suggestion on process 1.

As for process 2, I have been suspecting it might be a double colour management problem, but I am not sure (or can't find) how to turn off colour management on my printer drive. Can anyone help me with this?

When I go into Canon iP42'' Properties and click on the Colour Maintenance tab, I am presented with Auto (I have sRGB selected) or Manual (currently unselected but has a default of sRGB). I have tried both settings and it did not make much difference. Am I on the right track?
 
LR handling color management.

I do not have the model printer you have but a Canon i91''. Under the printer properties Color Adjustment I choose "manual" then "set".
In the manual color adjustment dialog box which pops up make sure "enable ICM box" is NOT checked then under print type from the list choose "none" not auto or photo.
This should ensure that the print driver makes no color adjustments to the info sent from LR.
Hope this helps you figure it out in the print driver properties for your model.
Also this tech article would give you some illustrated info to assist you in choosing the settings to disable in your printer properties dialog if you are using a program like LR to manage the color settings for your prints.
http://www.steves-digicams.com/techcorner/June_2''5.html
Good luck.
 
Bingo. That has solved the problem. Thankyou so very much.

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That's great to hear Kitten, thanks Denis !!
 
Bingo. That has solved the problem. Thank you so very much.
Kitten,
So you solved the printing problem with Denis tips!
That is great.
It was double Color Management after all, see?
:D
 
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