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Catalogs Problem AI remove with 14.0

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pitone78

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Today I updated light classic 14 on mac sonoma 14.5, the result is that all the photos where I had applied remove AI require updating. The problem is that when updating the result is not the same as before, so I should check again each of them . A real disaster. I tried downloading lightroom version 13.5 again and opening the old catalogue but it says it's too new for this version of the programme.
But how is this possible?
 

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This is a long shot, but have you restarted LR since upgrading? There's a bug that's been reported that required some masks to be updated, but the error went away after a restart, so there's a change this one will doo.
 
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Hello Voctoria, I restarted lightroom and also my mac, but the problem is still there and in all the folders, it is a disaster..
And I don't understand why I can not open the old catalogo with 13.5 version!
 
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pitone78 said:
And I don't understand why I can not open the old catalogo with 13.5 version!
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Sounds like you're trying to open the upgraded catalog. The old one will be in a folder next to the catalog, called Old Lightroom Catalogs.
 
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Besides rolling back to 13.5, can you just run us through the steps you took, how you noticed that it wanted to update the remove AI and how you did that? Did anything else seem off when you upgraded?
 
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pitone78 said:
And I don't understand why I can not open the old catalogo with 13.5 version!
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V14.0 required a database structure change. This almost always occurs when there is a whole number version release. If you install v13.5.1 and find your old catalog that has been zipped up, unzip it then you will be back where you were before you installed v14.0
 
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pitone78 said:
Today I updated light classic 14 on mac sonoma 14.5, the result is that all the photos where I had applied remove AI require updating. The problem is that when updating the result is not the same as before, so I should check again each of them . A real disaster. I tried downloading lightroom version 13.5 again and opening the old catalogue but it says it's too new for this version of the programme.
But how is this possible?
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I am having his exact issue. I am on the most recent version of MacOS. I updated LRCC 14.0 yesterday. Two days ago I edited 50 photos from a trip to the ocean. Some sensor dust had to be dealt with on every photo. I used the remove tool. After the update to 14.0 yesterday, I saw all my spots where back. I went back into the remove tool & then it said I needed to update (like the screenshot above). I updated all on all 50 photos. Took some time. But got it done. Then once I was on the last photo, it cycled back to image 1 and was now NOT changed AGAIN! I did it again. All 50. Then it wasn't there again. I went back and turned off AI. I updated the spots all again. I then exported. And the export did not show the remove tool used at all on any of them. I am quite a bit frustrated.
 
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Thanks for the details @devoncadams. Welcome to the forum, sorry it's an issue that brings you here.

Where's your catalog stored? Had you used any masks on the photos in question? And have you restarted LR (and for good measure the computer) since upgrading?
 
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A long shot, but if either of you want to try an experiment for me... it's a safe one!

1. Find the Old Lightroom Catalogs folder and COPY the zip file somewhere like the desktop. (This is just a temporary copy so I don't want to interfere with the original backup.)
2. Unzip the copy on the desktop (or wherever you've put it).
3. Double-click on the lrcat file to open it into LR 14.0.
4. Let it upgrade.
5. Quit Lightroom and restart it.
6. See if the same happens with your spots as it did last time you upgraded.

(There are reports that a restart after upgrade solves the masking issue that sounds similar, so I'm wondering if it'll do the same here... but it may only work immediately after upgrade, rather than after you've done other stuff, hence trying this on a fresh upgrade)
 
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Victoria Bampton said:
A long shot, but if either of you want to try an experiment for me... it's a safe one!

1. Find the Old Lightroom Catalogs folder and COPY the zip file somewhere like the desktop. (This is just a temporary copy so I don't want to interfere with the original backup.)
2. Unzip the copy on the desktop (or wherever you've put it).
3. Double-click on the lrcat file to open it into LR 14.0.
4. Let it upgrade.
5. Quit Lightroom and restart it.
6. See if the same happens with your spots as it did last time you upgraded.

(There are reports that a restart after upgrade solves the masking issue that sounds similar, so I'm wondering if it'll do the same here... but it may only work immediately after upgrade, rather than after you've done other stuff, hence trying this on a fresh upgrade)
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I tried it, but it did not work, I still have to update the remove and masking.
 
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Thanks for trying. Adobe might want a copy of that catalog.
 
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Victoria Bampton said:
Besides rolling back to 13.5, can you just run us through the steps you took, how you noticed that it wanted to update the remove AI and how you did that? Did anything else seem off when you upgraded?
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Hello, I just updated from creative cloud, opened the program, waited that everything was updated and then I noticed that in all the photos were AI remove were applied the palnel asked to update it. I did it but the result is different from the previous one, so a part of being a long task you have to check every photo. Obviously also the masking has to be updated.
 
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clee01l said:
V14.0 required a database structure change. This almost always occurs when there is a whole number version release. If you install v13.5.1 and find your old catalog that has been zipped up, unzip it then you will be back where you were before you installed v14.0
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Going back to the old version of lightroom worked, but only partially. First of all, when I tried to open the .lrcat placed in Old Catalogs it had the same problem (all the ai removals had disappeared and the notification to update them appeared), instead unzipping the zip and opening the .lrcat inside it worked, but not completely.
The notification to update the ai removals still appears, but at least the ones I had made have not disappeared, so I can simply ignore the update request.

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Hmmmm partially sounds like the problem was pre-existing. Do they export ok in 13.5?
 
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After 'upgrading' to v14 all my AI and masking edits have the red dot and need to be updated too, which is very time consuming. I must be doing something wrong because when I try and open the old catalogue to let it upgrade again (as per the advice on the Adobe forum), a pop-up warns that all existing AI updates will be lost! Therefore I have abandoned this attempt at a fix. I now wish I had waited a while for the bugs to be resolved before 'upgrading'.
 
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Just to add to my previous post, this is a screen shot of the pop-up warning. Does this mean my files are corrupted?

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pitone78 said:
Today I updated light classic 14 on mac sonoma 14.5, the result is that all the photos where I had applied remove AI require updating.
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Maybe not related specifically to your issue, but 14.0.1 has just been released that addresses some of the recomp issues.
 
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Victoria Bampton said:
Thanks for the details @devoncadams. Welcome to the forum, sorry it's an issue that brings you here.

Where's your catalog stored? Had you used any masks on the photos in question? And have you restarted LR (and for good measure the computer) since upgrading?
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Catalog on my computer's HDD. The only thing I did to these files was color grade & use spot removals. It's the spot removals I could no longer get to "stick". I will tell you that after I restarted LRCC, I then updated all spot removals again with AI OFF & it worked last night.
 
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After 'upgrading' to v14 all my AI and masking edits have the red dot and need to be updated too, which is very time consuming. I must be doing something wrong because when I try and open the old catalogue to let it upgrade again (as per the advice on the Adobe forum), a pop-up warns that all existing AI updates will be lost! Therefore I have abandoned this attempt at a fix. I now wish I had waited a while for the bugs to be resolved before 'upgrading'.
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Did you restart Lightroom? That is what helped me. I also unticked the AI button before "updating" the spot removals.
 
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devoncadams said:
Did you restart Lightroom? That is what helped me. I also unticked the AI button before "updating" the spot removals.
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Yes, I restarted Lightroom and rebooted the PC. I have just installed the 14.01 update (thanks for the heads up Paul McFarlane) and again, opened and closed and restarted lightroom and rebooted the PC, but the problem still remains, so for me at least the 'critical' update has not made any difference.

It's not the end of the world, but I will have to decide whether to roll back to a previous version of Lightroom or put up with the time-consuming annoyance of having to manually update each photo which was edited with AI remove or masking....... Fortunately some of the more complicated AI edits were done in Photoshop, so at least these are baked into the TIFF .
 
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devoncadams said:
Catalog on my computer's HDD.
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I'm asking for location because something like the catalog being in a cloud folder (e.g. OneDrive) could be a factor in the missing data.
 
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