printing what I see

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I have an epson r28'. Not a great printer but its decent. I have printed 8x1' before with great color and images.

In LR, however, what I see is not what I get. Either my prints will be to light or to dark. Even if I just crop and do not do any color adjustments. Most of my images have great exposure and I dont need to change mush.

Is there a trick to printing from lr. because I cant seem to get it right. And let me say, I have used up a rem of photo paper, not ot mention the ink just trying to print a decent print. :icon_twisted:
 
To begin, you need a calibrated monitor and calibration profiles for your printer. There are several topics that discuss the printing issues with LR. You might want to do a search of the forum to see other discussions on the topic.
 
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To begin, you need a calibrated monitor and calibration profiles for your printer. There are several topics that discuss the printing issues with LR. You might want to do a search of the forum to see other discussions on the topic.
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Hi Cletus,

This is NOT personal at all!

But I have seen so may replies that say "calibrate your monitor" in connection with good printingcolors. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY UNNESSECAIRY! It is convenient, but that is all!
If you're sure your camera makes printingcolors ok: use it.

Bottem: Calibrating your monitor is nice (I do it ...) but LESS important than callibrating your printer.

Far more important is to calibrate your printer so you can expect a print to be a mirror of what you see on your monitor. If you are used to very red colors on your monitor and your printer is calibrated: go ahead!

Oh boy, they will hang me for this ....
 
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[quote author=clee'1l link=topic=8735.msg588''#msg588'' date=1261878655]
To begin, you need a calibrated monitor and calibration profiles for your printer. There are several topics that discuss the printing issues with LR. You might want to do a search of the forum to see other discussions on the topic.
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Hi Cletus,

This is NOT personal at all!

But I have seen so may replies that say "calibrate your monitor" in connection with good printingcolors. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY UNNESSECAIRY! It is convenient, but that is all!
If you're sure your camera makes printingcolors ok: use it.

Bottem: Calibrating your monitor is nice (I do it ...) but LESS important than callibrating your printer.

Far more important is to calibrate your printer so you can expect a print to be a mirror of what you see on your monitor. If you are used to very red colors on your monitor and your printer is calibrated: go ahead!

Oh boy, they will hang me for this ....


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I am not a color management expert but I do profile my monitor. I use a Canon inkjet printer and mainly use the manufacturers ink and photo paper which provides me with reasonably accurate prints. If I use paper from a third party supplier I would make sure there is a supplied profile for my printer. I have therefore not ventured into the process of calibrating my printer.

I may be lossed here but, if you are viewing incorrect colors on an uncalibrated/profiled monitor, why would you calibrate your printer to print these colors?
Are you then building an inaccurate printer profile to correct the viewing inaccuracies?????
 
[quote author=wblink link=topic=8735.msg58811#msg58811 date=1261932364]
[quote author=clee'1l link=topic=8735.msg588''#msg588'' date=1261878655]
To begin, you need a calibrated monitor and calibration profiles for your printer. There are several topics that discuss the printing issues with LR. You might want to do a search of the forum to see other discussions on the topic.
[/quote]..But I have seen so may replies that say "calibrate your monitor" in connection with good printingcolors. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY UNNESSECAIRY! It is convenient, but that is all!
If you're sure your camera makes printingcolors ok: use it.

Bottem: Calibrating your monitor is nice (I do it ...) but LESS important than callibrating your printer.

Far more important is to calibrate your printer so you can expect a print to be a mirror of what you see on your monitor. If you are used to very red colors on your monitor and your printer is calibrated: go ahead!

Oh boy, they will hang me for this ....


[/quote]I won't do the hanging but I will provide the rope :-)
When you import an image from the camera into an image processing application you make changes to the Hue, Satutation, and Luminance (HSL) base upon what you see to produce an image that is pleasing to you. If you monitor produces colors that are off, you will adjust those colors to 'look right' If your printer prints what your application sends it, it will produce a print that reflects the HSL color values sent to it. If your printer does not print the colors sent to it, then it needs to be calibrated. These calibration settings vary based upon the paper used and other factors. With a calibration tool, is is fairly easy to get a monitor to display colors that closely match the HSL of the color value sent to it by the graphics engine. It is much more difficult (though not impossible) to produce a color profile for a printer that will faithlfully reproduce the color value sent to it by the printing engine.

Just remember, ther are four things that have to match to get the "Right" color on paper: The camera sensor, the monitor, the printer and most importantly the observer's eye that sees the object, views the monitor and looks at the paper out of the printer.

And like Denis, I am not a color management expert. My printer is far from adequate to producing quality images and my color management tools reflect the price I paid for it (which was not much).
 
No hangings around here. But I'd agree about that calibrating both is quite important. The monitor calibration isn't as big an issue if you never adjusted any of your photos - but who does that?! If you don't do that, you might as well be colour correcting on a black and white screen - and only the ancient experts do that well.

But before we go off on one with calibration, what settings are you using in LR and in your printer driver? There could be something really simple we're all overlooking.
 
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