Okay... I'm Even More Nuts Now

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That would mean Nikon has set it's mind on DX. I hear the Canon 7'-2''/2.8 is just the other way around: better in full frame...
Don't tell Ian as he may sell his D3 to go back with Canon! :mrgreen:
 
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Don't tell Ian as he may sell his D3 to go back with Canon! :mrgreen:

That's what I'd do. Dump that Nikon stuff as quick as you can, it's nearly worthless. Canon is definitely the way to go.

Ian, since I'm such a nice guy, I'll offer you $5'' for that used D3... :p

Oh, and do you have any of those (nearly worthless) Nikon lenses you don't want? ;)
 

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That's what I'd do. Dump that Nikon stuff as quick as you can, it's nearly worthless. Canon is definitely the way to go.

Ian, since I'm such a nice guy, I'll offer you $5'' for that used D3... :p

Oh, and do you have any of those (nearly worthless) Nikon lenses you don't want? ;)

You mean a $5''.'' down payment, right?
 
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You mean a $5''.'' down payment, right?

Well no, I mean after all if Canon is the way to go, Nikon stuff can't be worth very much, right? Ok, I'll offer $6'' if you throw in the lenses. :mrgreen:



All joking aside, I'm very happy with my D3'' and how well it does in low light. I can only imagine how much fun you must be having with the D3 and it's even better capabilities. I'm sure Canon stuff is good too, or they wouldn't sell much of it, but I really do enjoy my Nikon.
 

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All joking aside, I'm very happy with my D3'' and how well it does in low light. I can only imagine how much fun you must be having with the D3 and it's even better capabilities. I'm sure Canon stuff is good too, or they wouldn't sell much of it, but I really do enjoy my Nikon.

I'm thrilled with the camera, but I am currently reading and figuring out how to tweak the default camera settings in Lightroom for a "baseline" that I am happy with. I feel like the RAW image (14 bits) straight from the camera is a bit flat and a little too hot, but I am finding that a bit of fiddling in the Tone Curve is doing wonders. This thing is a completely different beast from the Canon!

Oh, and I just got the 85 f/1.4. Nice lens. Very nice. Big. Seems a bit out of focus, though. I will be messing with the focus adjustments this weekend to see if anything improves.
 
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Ian Farlow;154'6 said:
I'm thrilled with the camera, but I am currently reading and figuring out how to tweak the default camera settings in Lightroom for a "baseline" that I am happy with. I feel like the RAW image (14 bits) straight from the camera is a bit flat and a little too hot, but I am finding that a bit of fiddling in the Tone Curve is doing wonders. This thing is a completely different beast from the Canon!

That's the one area I like least... I do not feel that Lightroom and Nikon play well together. I've posted that before, and was told it was only my opinion, not a fact. OK, yeah, well, whatever, it's my *opinion* that how the image looks on the camera's LCD screen is how it should look when I open it in Lightroom. I certainly don't feel that's an unreasonable expectation...

I have yet to figure out how to adjust the default camera settings, as there doesn't seem to be a lot of consistency to the variations. In 'easy' situations (well lit etc), the image Lightroom shows looks great. However, when shooting under challenging conditions, low light, flash, etc, there can be a big difference.

I also have some of the same frustrations with printing. When I print from LR it does not look the same as when I print from Photoshop. I've read that has to do with printer profiles or something along those lines, but for the moment I've given up on spending time trying to fix it.

For difficult photos, I work in Capture NX, which does a great job of rendering the colors the way I expect them to look, as well as making any high ISO digital noise look a lot less like digital noise and a lot more like film grain (still visible, but without the multi-color speckled look.)
 
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BTW, you mentioned you are you shooting in 14 bits? To be honest, I haven't even tried it. Do you see a noticable difference? I figure that neither my consumer grade screen or consumer grade printer is up to the challenge of the fine subtlies imparted by that resolution. Since the files are reportedly larger, I've not experimented with it yet.

Do you feel the difference is worth it? I guess you must, or you wouldn't be shooting 14 bits. I'd be interested in your comments though...
 
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Well, I guess there's an easy way to find out... I'll try some of both on my next outing and see what I think of the results. I'm shooting with the D3'' not the D3, but the end results should be comparable.

The one book I've read that mentions it at all suggested limiting it to portaits and other work where having an especially smooth gradation was critical. Since I don't shoot portraits, I hadn't bothered to try it.
 

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Well, I guess there's an easy way to find out... I'll try some of both on my next outing and see what I think of the results. I'm shooting with the D3'' not the D3, but the end results should be comparable.

The one book I've read that mentions it at all suggested limiting it to portaits and other work where having an especially smooth gradation was critical. Since I don't shoot portraits, I hadn't bothered to try it.

Yeah... I have a lot of experimenting (and learning) to do this weekend. I need to try different settings and see what happens. As I stated before, this camera is very different in the way it performs than the Canon, so I need to get back to basics, it seems.

Sounds tedious, but I am actually looking forward to it.

By the way... was that a book specifically written about the D3''? If so, my first guess would be that the suggestion is based more on the loss of continuous speed on the D3'' with 14 bit shooting than anything else (frame rate drops to something like 2.5 FPS).
 
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I'm shooting 14 bits primarily because it's an available option. No idea, quite honestly, if it makes a noticeable difference.
Ian, you can get a clear idea to make a decision between 12/14 bits by reading Noise, Dynamic Range and Bit Depth in Digital SLRs by Emil Martinec ( May 2''8 ). This is the most interseting article I read since a while. Highly technical but so much enlightening! My feeling is that I would shoot 12 bits most of the time...

... and don't forget rule #5 ;)
 
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