New Images in Web - Way Off

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Hello.

I just finished editing some new images in CS4. Imported them into an existing Lightroom catalog to post on the web.

The new images look perfectly good in the Lightroom Library (same as in CS4). The Thumbnails also look good in the Web publishing area, But when viewing the web page both in Lightroom & in a Preview, they are way overexposed and way off in color.

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Well it looks like i need to import the scans as SRGB and save as the same. This is the profile that LightRoom set the images in the web export as. I had originaly imported the scans in Pro Photo.

Looks like i need to re-retouch the scans.

Bugger.
 
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ProPhoto should have been fine Bendts, as long as they have a profile embedded. LR converts to sRGB when outputting a web gallery. Galleries look identical here.
 
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Color issue are really a pain. I don't know that this will help, but as it seems you've found you need them in sRGB mode for web. LR can do this on export, and like Victoria said it should be automatic with a web gallery.

Also something to note is that often firefox displays images lighter than for example Safari. Even with SRGB. You notice it on some more than others, but Firefox does not properly display accurate tone.

It's super annoying because FF is very popular. I can't figure why mozilla ignores it. Usualy it's not enogh to "really" mess up an image, but sometimes they do not appear in their full glory. I've not found a fix.

By the way your work is beatiful!

Gav
 
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That's because Firefox, by default, is not color-managed and Safari is.

You can enable color management in Firefox 3.x. It's very easy:
(1) Enter "about:config" in the location bar. Promise to be careful.
(2) Enter "gfx" in the Filter bar.
(3) Double-click on "gfx.color_management.enabled" to set its value to "true".
(4) Restart Firefox.

Now Firefox should look exactly like Safari, Lightroom, and other color-managed applications. Rumor has it that Firefox 3.1 will ship with color management enabled by default.

All that said, for now, you should still use sRGB for the web. Not everyone will read this tip...
 
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Honestly it looks exactly like what happens when you are not using sRGB. I know you said you are, but I suggest you double check. The first thing I notice if I put a non sRGB image on the web is a flat low saturated look.

Mark it's true that you can enable color managment in safari, but it's not much help. Not that's it's bad to have it on. Since it's not automatic in the bwoeser 99.9% of viewers will not have it activated and while images may look right on your screen they won't to people veiwing your images.

I consider this pretty in-excuaible on the part of mozilla. I can't figure why they would ignore it.

Gav
 
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Back a step... how do you have your monitor calibrated?

Reason I ask.... the files on the earlier link you posted are tagged with sRGB correctly, and that's a huge difference from what you're seeing in LR. I'd recalibrate your monitor - I wonder if we're not actually looking at a corrupted monitor profile rather than specifically web based.
 
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The monitor has an older calibration at the moment - but if i cycle through the diff calibrations (pro photo, Adobe rgb, old calib) there isn't much of a diff. I may need to go borrow a calibrator.

At the moment i am trying everything set to Adobe RGB 1998 - i really just want to use 1 profile if i can as i mostly do photo.

Also i found that it helps alot to convert the newly scanned image to 8 bit. I was posting 16 bit images before. The 8 bit makes a big diff in Light Room - not sure if it should but is does.

Will post new result...
 
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Ok, take Web out of the equation a minute. Can you post a photo somewhere that has just been exported to sRGB and see how that matches with, say, Preview.
 
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bendts;34'46 said:
Ok - i set the color managment in FireFox, Thanks. Still looks bad. Also looks bad in Safari. Here is an example of the Difference i see in Lightroom:
These are both Screen Caps of the same scan/image in sRGB.

Web Mod
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bendtphoto/3195'44724/
Library
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bendtphoto/31942'1969/

Enough to poke out an eye.:shock:
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Do you want to check the images as these do not seem to be sRGB.

Victoria,
I get this message flagged :

WARNING: Embedded color profile: &#822';ProPhoto/ROMM”
All Windows web browsers (except Safari) and many Mac web browsers ignore an embedded color profile, meaning users of those browsers will see the wrong colors for this image.


I have checked these in preview - both have profiles that are ProPhoto RGB.
 
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OK - just did a scan with everything in adobe rgb 1998 - it looks better, but there is something in the conversion process from Adobe RGB to sRGB that really pumps up the color/contrast. Not as bad as the pro photo conversion. It looks the best if i do NO adjustments in CS4.

I am scanning fairly flat contrast, mainly to hold the shadows. The scaner is an older Epson 245' Photo, but that shouldn't be that much of an issue - or maybe.
 
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gavinseim;34'6' said:
I consider this pretty in-excuaible on the part of mozilla. I can't figure why they would ignore it.
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I'm confused now -- what is Mozilla ignoring? At least they've implemented color management. IE, Picasa, and Facebook are all still behind.
 
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Mark Sirota;34'89 said:
I'm confused now -- what is Mozilla ignoring? At least they've implemented color management. IE, Picasa, and Facebook are all still behind.
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I think he meant that it isn't turned on at the start - you need to activate it.
 
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bendts;34'82 said:
OK - just did a scan with everything in adobe rgb 1998
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:?: Maybe the problem is right there from the start.
Is your scanner calibrated? Normally, the scanner's profile is assigned first; Not a random profile as Adobe 1998 or another. From the scanner profile, you can then convert to another...

Correct me someone... :roll:
 
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Denis Pagé;3411' said:
:?: Maybe the problem is right there from the start.
Is your scanner calibrated? Normally, the scanner's profile is assigned first; Not a random profile as Adobe 1998 or another. From the scanner profile, you can then convert to another...

Correct me someone... :roll:
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AHHH - No.

While you may be correct, i guess im baffeled as to why the image looks good all the way to the point it gets added to the web page. It seems that it something in the sRGB conversion.

But maybe thats just easiest to blame - :mrgreen:
 
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bendts said:
While you may be correct, i guess im baffeled as to why the image looks good all the way to the point it gets added to the web page.
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No blame here. This is also what I wonder (good in Lightroom)... :roll:
 
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