LR 2 Moves to the trash can tonight

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After several Months of using LR 2, I'm moving it to the trash can and installing PE 8 tonight. I had PE 7 on my PC and like using it. After using PC computers for 28 years, I moved to a Macbook. Since I couldn't use PE 7 on a Mac and thought it would be a good time to move to LR.
I thought it was just me, but talked to a dozen locale Photogs and they gave it up also.
LR 2 is not hard to use, it just doesn't think the way I think.

I'm not a pro, so I will not have a million images. I like to store, Raw, Jpeg and a small resized Jpeg for the web in the same category . I cannot resize a photo for the web in LR 2 without exporting it, etc and if I forget to import a photo that I just processed in a HDR program, LR 2 don't know where its at. If I move the curser over an image, LR don't tell me what size it is, so I don't know if its been resized, etc

Don't get me or this post wrong, LR 2 is a great program. I'm posting this message just to point out, its not for everyone.

I use CS4 for processing.

Glenn
 
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[quote author=gepatch link=topic=8462.msg57299#msg57299 date=1258932459]
I'm not a pro, so I will not have a million images. I like to store, Raw, Jpeg and a small resized Jpeg for the web in the same category . I cannot resize a photo for the web in LR 2 without exporting it, etc and if I forget to import a photo that I just processed in a HDR program, LR 2 don't know where its at. If I move the curser over an image, LR don't tell me what size it is, so I don't know if its been resized, etc
Glenn
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It does take a while to get used to a non-destructive workflow.
You can get size info with the overlay (this can show lots of info and is customisable) and also in the metadata.
If you set up the HDR program as an external editor then imports back into LR are automatic.
By using an export workflow for web images you don't need to store lot's of different sized images, just create them when you need them and then delete them.
If you do shoot more images in the future you may find that a catalogue approach is the only way to go but as you say... you may not need it at present :icon_biggrin:
 
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I understand your sentiments but if you persist you may suddenly find one morning that you are on the same wavelength. When you are used to using ore traditional editing software it is quite a different concept to get used to. I initially only used LR for editing photo's and it was only later that I used the data base features.

Once hooked you would never go back.
 
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Nik
Just run into a Problem.

I installed PE 8 on my Mac tonight and discovered that Adobe removed the organizer from the Mac version and put in Bridge.

I've never used bridge and don't care to learn. I liked the organizer in PE 6.

Why would they do this? Windows has the organizer, Mac has Bridge. Now, I don't know what to use.
Glenn
 
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[quote author=gepatch link=topic=8462.msg573'4#msg573'4 date=1258938816]
I installed PE 8 on my Mac tonight and discovered that Adobe removed the organizer from the Mac version[/quote]

There never was an organizer in the PSE Mac version.
 
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Good luck to you, Glenn.



As we say in Watsonville- Goodbye!
Bob- the slide shooter at heart
 
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No it didn't.... PSE has always been quite different on the Mac compared to the PC. Bridge is a very powerful tool (well worth learning) and it contains ACR which gives you the 'Develop' powers of Lightroom without the catalogue/database. Bridge is also free as it comes with CS4, which I believe you already have.
 
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I read somewhere that Adobe was not going to support Bridge anymore.
Do you know if this is true?
I don't want to go to the trouble of learning it, to find it goes the way of adobe album.

They may be planning to put all their effort into LR.
Thanks
Glenn
 
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Bridge isn't only used by Photoshop users. People who use Illustrator, After Effects, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash, InDesign, Premiere, etc. all need to use Bridge as a browser to view and select their projects.

Its unlikely that Adobe will abandon Bridge given how integral it is to "bridging" all the Adobe applications. Since Lightroom only handles RAW, PSD, TIFF and JPEGs, what will the users of other file types use?
 
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It's a suit yourself kind of world.

I see that Adobe says PSE8 works with iPhoto on a Mac. Perhaps you would prefer that.

I have been complaining that Adobe stuck us Windows users with the Organizer while Apple users got Bridge. I really, really dislike the Organizer's UI/interface and lack of Lightroom hierarchical keyword support.
 
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Ken
You may have a point. Maybe I should start learning and using bridge. I don't know for sure, but someone told me iPhoto does not have drivers for Raw files.

Maybe I will wake up one morning and LR makes sense to me.Thanks
Glenn
 
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I sometimes think I'm going "brain Dead" but a friend pointed out me, in todays world, we have to learn everything and its always harder to learn. We can no longer get into our car and drive off like we could 25 years ago. We have to learn to use our cell phone, car radio, computer, camera, TV stereo sets, etc. All this gives us brain overload.

I'm dumb, but brain is not completely disable yet.

I'm going to keep using LR until I get it right and it makes sense.

I have a new Canon 5D Mk ll and will be shooting a lot of Raw, HDR etc and it looks like LR will handle it the best.

Thanks again for all the comments
Glenn

PS; In the last few Months, I've retired and went to a Mac after 28 years on a PC, upgraded to LR, upgraded to a 5D Mk ll, got a boat with Nav systems everywhere and planning on spending two years in the Bahamas to take photos, fish, cruise and enjoy life.
Lately, it seems I cannot do anything without setting with a manual for several hours
 
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While I have no personal opinion about your choice with LR, I agree with your observations about needing to lean, and I applaud you for giving LR a second chance. My time seems to be in short supply and high demand, and I often feel like you have described above when I am confronted with a new piece of technology. While LR certainly takes some time to master, the biggest hurdle is Adobe's paradigm for how images and workflow should be handled. It does not always make sense to me, and it is difficult to describe to somebody who has never used LR, but if you are willing to accept things as they are, you will find some method to the maddness. As you have chosoen to give LR a second chance, I hope it goes well this time around. And, the forum is a great place for help, support and advice. I have followed many forums over the years, and this is one of the best. The people are friendly, helpful and responsive.

Good luck,

--Ken
 
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If you're going to use Lightroom (which, by the way, I think is the best choice), the advice I give people is that you are going to have to change the way you think.

One thing that many Lightroom users do is not save derivative files (i.e. your re-sized for the Web files) in the Lightroom Library. This eliminates one problem, now you don't have to know whether the photo is resized or original size. Whenever you need a resized version for some purpose, you Export it as a temporary file, make use of this resized version; and then when you are done with it, you delete the file. (As an alternative, if you do have resized photos in your Library, you could simply hit Ctrl-J and specify what information is to appear alongside the thumbnail).

Another thing that many Lightroom users do, and which may help you, is to re-design your workflow from scratch so that it still meets your needs, but which fits within Lightroom's constraints. Lightroom almost forces you to operate in different ways; and people who insist that they maintain their exact folder based workflow once they begin operating in Lightroom will find that Lightroom sometimes will fight against you. People here can advise you on how to design a worfklow that fits easily into Lightroom.

As I don't do HDR, I can't advise there.
 
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Wow, that's a lot of changes.

LR does think slightly differently, but when you understand the way it's thinking, it works well.

Hang in there, and ask lots of questions. You know we'll be pleased to help.
 
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[quote author=gepatch link=topic=8462.msg57327#msg57327 date=1258989372]
I don't know for sure, but someone told me iPhoto does not have drivers for Raw files.
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RAW support is provided by Apple at the OS level. iPhoto will read RAW files fine, along with quick view and preview etc...
 
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Re: LR 2 is out of the trash can and will try again.

Whats the best way to email or send photos to Facebook, etc using LR 2
When shooting HDR photo's you need 3-6 photos with different exposures of the same image, then process it in a 3rd party software.
I would like to stack the various images and have the process image right beside the stack.
Anyone got an idea of the best way to do this?

Thanks again
Glenn
 
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I do this. I use Photomatix as a plugin. There is an option during export to stack the hdr image with the first image used to create it. Once the image is stacked and I have done my final tweaks I export the image as a jpeg, quality 8 and size 1'24 x 1'24 for the web.
 
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