Losing Lr edits on a PSD/TIFF/PNG after editing in PS

[superpete]

Hi,

I'm Peter, I've been teaching Lr since version 1, and I know most of it inside out. There are 2 things I still can't wrap my head around, and answers didn't come from Adobe either.
1. If I have a PSD or other non-RAW file in Lightroom, I can make Lr edits on top of it. But when I then decide to alter that file in Photoshop (edit > edit original), save it and return to Lr, all the non-destructive edits from Lr are gone. That doesn't make any sense to me, since both types of editing don't interfere. Editing in Photoshop is like going inside the container to work in there, so why would it cancel what's wrapped around the container? "The ticket describing the bottle shouldn't change when I pour a different liquid inside it."
2. Well, this doesn't really belong here, but anyway: when adding GPS data to photos in the map module, suggestions for addresses is turned on. But suggestions remain in italics (therefore not really applied to the field), and there doesn't seem to be a way to batch the suggestions inside the field (CTRL+S doesn't do it of course). Typing the fields, one by one, the first letters, and entering does it. But I'd be mad to do that to the thousands of photos I make on my trips. I remember this wasn't the case when the map module was first introduced. It made me go back to geosetter.de for this, but maybe I'm missing something. It could be a rights issue with Google, but Adobe doesn't reply to my questions regarding this.

Thanks for any advice
Peter

 

[Johan Elzenga]

What you describe about edit in Photoshop does indeed not make sense, and should not happen. The Lightroom edits should remain. As what you describe does not happen in my Lightroom setup, you need to give a bit more details about your workflow. Describe it step by step, please.

 

[superpete]

Hi Johan,

My workflow is very simple. This seems to happen on all Windows machines. At school, they are not always up to date, but here at home all my software is up-to-date. I closed and reopened LR and PS so they had a fresh start.
1. I create a PSD from a RAW by CTRL+E (16 bit, prophoto, PSD)

2. I do some edits in Lr:

3. CTRL+E > edit original, and I add a layer and brush in Photoshop. I save and close.

4. Upon returning, I get to see my Photoshop edits, but the LR edits over it have vanished. I never thought this was the case but upon testing it here, I'm confused over it, because it doesn't make sense.

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[Johan Elzenga]

The edits still show in the history panel. Check out this discussion: PSD in lightroom, edited in lightroom. When ext... | Adobe Community

 

[superpete]

Thanks for your reply Johan, I failed to notice the history panel. Clicking on the last history state did bring back the edits.
I turned on "automatically write to XMP" settings in the catalogue and that made it work automatically. So now the edits remain visible when moving back and forth between PS edits. I used to have it turned on all the time up to about a year and a half, but when my catalogue became really big, it started to slow down (especially when working on keywords) too much and I decided to turn it off.
That is a solution of course, but shouldn't it work no matter how that setting is? I mean, if the history state remains the same, it should show the actual current LR edits to the PSD when returning to Lr without me having to click the latest state, no? I suppose this is a small bug, but it's been there for a while now.
PS: also I don't get the exclamation mark on the thumbnail when doing this, so it's not treating it as "edited externally", since it was sent and returned directly between LR and PS.

 

[Johan Elzenga]

The way I understand it is that the problem is not that you have to use 'Automatically write to XMP'. I don't use that and I don't have this problem. The problem is that when you do have 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, PNG, and PSD files' checked, you must also check 'Automatically write to XMP'. If you have the first one checked, but you haven't written the changes to XMP, then these zero settings are read on return and cause what you are seeing.