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I am shooting with Olympus>ORF Raw file. If I go to edit in>PS>the file does not open automatically in Camera Raw. This all started in the latest update to LR. Has anyone noticed this as well?
 
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That is perfectly normal! And always has been!!
Lightroom-Classic Develop module IS 'Camera Raw'. (The Adobe Camera Raw plugin for Ps is not needed when you [Edit-in] a raw file from LrC).

This quote from Lightroom Queen- And see the 'flow' diagram:
"Render using Lightroom uses Lightroom’s own processing engine to render the file, which is then automatically opened into Photoshop. This does mean that an additional TIFF or PSD file is created, depending on your preferences, however all of your Lightroom adjustments will be applied correctly."
If it never happened before then you were not using (updated) compatible versions of LrC and Ps.
 
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Lightroom-Classic Develop module IS 'Camera Raw'. (The Adobe Camera Raw plugin for Ps is not needed when you [Edit-in] a raw file from LrC).
It depends.....if LrC and the ACR plug-in to PS are at the same level (as they are for the OP) then LrC passes all relevant data to PS which then "silently" (i.e. the ACR dialog is not shown) uses its ACR plug-in to render the raw file for processing in PS. Only when there's a mis-match (which should now be quite rare if the users update their apps at the same time) would LrC do the rendering, in which case the TIFF/PSD appears in LrC before it opens in PS.

BTW, the "mis-match" only occurs when the ACR plug-in is at a lower equivalent level to LrC, e.g. if a user is running latest LrC 10.2, but hasn't yet updated Camera Raw to 13.2 then the mis-match dialog should trigger (provided the user hasn't previously selected the "Don't show again" option). Doing things the other way round, i.e. still running LrC 10.1.1 but Camera Raw has been updated to 13.2, that mis-match dialog is not triggered and the raw file is rendered by ACR as usual.
 
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LrC passes all relevant data to PS which then "silently" (i.e. the ACR dialog is not shown) uses its ACR plug-in to render the raw file for processing in PS.
Thanks Jim for the explanation. I guess my answer should have been condensed to "ACR dialog is not shown" - which is normal.
 

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I guess that "might" be one of the advantages in ON1 in that PhotRaw is always editing the raw file, irrespective of whether one is in Develop, Effects or whatever. But the ON1 dam is nothing to write home about imo.
 

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What I am saying is when using the full PhotoRaw as an editing suite one is always editing the raw data whilst with Lr/Ps raw editing stops once you get to Ps. I still prefer Adobe by a long way but that is nevertheless the case.
 

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I accept and understand that, which is why I make the point that working entirely in ON1 has an apparent advantage in that you are always editing the raw file. At least you are until you get into layers (as oppose to filters) - I am unsure at which point the conversion to a layer based file format takes place.
 
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a raw file.
No raw converter in the world can save an edited raw file, i.e. edited raw data that are still raw. A raw file needs to be demosaiced to create a visible image, and when demosaiced the data are no longer raw data. A raw converter will save the edits separately in a catalog (like Lightroom does), an XMP sidecar file, a DNG file, or possibly in the metadata of the original raw file itself (like Canon DPP can do), or it will create a derivative file (tiff/psd) with the edits baked into the pixels. I don’t know what On1 uses, but it will basically be the same as what Lightroom does: non-destructive editing of the raw file, meaning that the edits are stored separately.
 

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My point is that ON1 PhotoRaw behaves the same as Lr. The raw data is preserved throughout and given the functionality within ON1 there is not so much need to hand off to the likes of Ps. Lr on the other hand is often used to hand off to Ps (to do things that are possible in ON1). At that point the raw data is not being edited as Lr hands a tiff off to Ps. So Ps is not a raw editor. On the other hand ON1 is a raw editor not a raw converter - unless one elects to export to jpeg etc. I fully understand what raw data is and how it is displayed and of course ON1 uses sidecar files. My comment above "a raw file" remains valid therefore, given the question I was answering.

I am not saying ON1 is better than Adobe. I am just saying the ability to stay with the raw file must be a plus point.
 
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My point is that ON1 PhotoRaw behaves the same as Lr. The raw data is preserved throughout and given the functionality within ON1 there is not so much need to hand off to the likes of Ps. Lr on the other hand is often used to hand off to Ps (to do things that are possible in ON1). At that point the raw data is not being edited as Lr hands a tiff off to Ps. So Ps is not a raw editor. On the other hand ON1 is a raw editor not a raw converter - unless one elects to export to jpeg etc. I fully understand what raw data is and how it is displayed and of course ON1 uses sidecar files. My comment above "a raw file" remains valid therefore, given the question I was answering.

I am not saying ON1 is better than Adobe. I am just saying the ability to stay with the raw file must be a plus point.
I asked the question “When you save your work and quit /shut down ON 1 what are you left with?”.
You said “A raw file”.
So where is the info concerning the work you did in ON1 saved?
Is it in a sidecar file? Is it saved to a Catalog file like Lightroom Classic?
Is it possibly in a new file created by ON 1, a DNG, tiff or jpeg?
I am not certain but I do not believe it is written to the Raw file header.
As Johan indicates ON 1 would have rendered the raw data which is in the computer memory while it carries out edits. Lightroom functions the same way when working with raw files in the develop module.

I have ON 1 2020 on my computer at home and will be returning from a short vacation tomorrow and will check what happens.
 
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As I said in my above post. ON1 uses sidecar files like Lr so there is no need to check. But the point is still being missed - my comparison was ON1 to Ps. The latter is not a raw editor and seeing as ON1 can do much of what photographers need from Ps that must be a plus point for ON1.
 
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As I said in my above post. ON1 uses sidecar files like Lr so there is no need to check. But the point is still being missed - my comparison was ON1 to Ps. The latter is not a raw editor and seeing as ON1 can do much of what photographers need from Ps that must be a plus point for ON1.
LrC Develop module is an alternative to Adobe Camera Raw Plug-in which is within PS.
LrC does not have the ability to work with Layers, One can have the Layered tiff/psd in the Lightroom Catalog file but cannot edit the layers.
So in the LrC / PS workflow if you wish to edit the layers then you would have to do that in PS, which is a complex and powerful application far more advanced than ON 1. Layered files can become extremely large.

Sure ON 1 has the ability to work with Layers and that is a plus for it versus LrC.
However if you have LrC then you also have access to the full power Photoshop since they are marketed is a single package.
As I said, later today I will check how things work in ON 1.
As an amateur photographer I do not work much in Layers.
Maybe If I was in the market to choose an application with raw processing ability for the first time I would certain consider ON 1 as a single application.
 
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On the other hand ON1 is a raw editor not a raw converter
That is semantics only. Every raw editor is a raw converter too. A raw editor needs to render (convert) the raw file to RGB before you can do anything with it. That is not limited to exporting: if you can print straight out of On1 then that’s raw conversion taking place under the hood. Even the preview you watch when you edit the raw file is a rendered RGB file, so even when you just edit the raw file there will be raw conversion taking place under the hood.
 

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I have used Lr and Ps for over 8 years now. I know how it works. This has nothing to do with how Lr/Ps work save for the fact that ON1 has a fair amount of the power of Ps yet manages to keep the entire process as a non-destructive raw edit. Ps can not do that. Yes, it leverages off ACR or takes its images from Lr, which also uses ACR, but once in Ps proper raw editing stops. ON1 does a lot more than just layers - its filters can provide an awful lot of effects that are not available in Lr but are in Ps. The upside therefore is those effects are done in raw edit mode. That must be a plus I would have thought. There are of course a lot of reasons to stick with Lr/Ps. The Lr dam for a start is a best of breed, whilst ON1's is, I find, lacking and a bit flaky. Ps on the other hand is the best pixel level editor out there and does far more than I will ever need. And despite what some think, I do trust Adobe with my images. I also feel the results I get are better than out of ON1 - I am a Fuji X shooter so some of my peers (but by no means all) will find that comment odd.
 
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That is semantics only. Every raw editor is a raw converter too. A raw editor needs to render (convert) the raw file to RGB before you can do anything with it. That is not limited to exporting: if you can print straight out of On1 then that’s raw conversion taking place under the hood. Even the preview you watch when you edit the raw file is a rendered RGB file, so even when you just edit the raw file there will be raw conversion taking place under the hood.
Not semantics. Not in the context of your original post. You do not appear to be able to grasp my point so best leave it there.
 
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Not semantics. Not in the context of your original post. You do not appear to be able to grasp my point so best leave it there.
I get your point just fine and I have no comments on what you said. I do not know On1 well enough to make any judgements on what you say about it, and how its layer feature would compare to using smart object layers in Photoshop, for example. I just don't like to be 'corrected' on something I said correctly in the first place.
 
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BTW, it's nice to see how On1 can use layers on top of a raw file. I agree that it would be great if Lightroom could do that. From what I see on the On1 website, it looks like the layers will be rendered images however, not raw files too. Maybe you can tell us whether that observation is correct or not. If that observation is correct, then my answer would be "Photoshop can do better than that!". It's not that easy, and it takes a bit of extra effort if you want to do it from Lightroom, but Photoshop can layer images and keep the raw properties of all the images by stacking raw images as smart object layers.

So yes, I admit once again that it would be nice to have a single application that can do it all, but I'm not so certain that On1 offers superior results over the Lightroom/Photoshop combo from a technical point of view. Maybe it does, but I doubt it.
 

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All I suggested was that staying in the raw workspace longer is probably a benefit. As to layers, there are two types really:
1) effects which are layered and have all the blend modes. These basically achieve most if not all the things you can accomplish in smart objects but without having to break out of the raw editor or use traditional layers. These have extremely versatile masking functionality including both luminosity and colour range. Masking and the "layer" approach to editing are possibly two areas where ON1 does surpass Lr.
2)Traditional layers are also available and I am not sure what the workflow function here is. I believe it is still the raw data that is edited but it is then wrapped up in a ".onone" file to preserve the layers. Nobody on the ON1 boards has been able to say what the ".onone" file really is.

Finally I still stand by my comment re converter/editor in the context of the questions/statements at the time. I was talking about editing capabilities and nothing else. I also prefer Ps as it allows add ons like the TK7 panel, which to me is a godsend.
 
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From what I see on the On1 website, it looks like the layers will be rendered images however, not raw files too.
I agree. RAW files consist of photo sites that measure light intensity. There are no pixels since there is no RGB conversion of the photo site values into RGB color values. I have not looked into ON1 lately, but it is to me a product similar to Photoshop. Photoshop renders images, sometimes layered images as a derivative RGB file. The last time I used On1, it did the same thing.
 

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ON1 is a raw editor and not a pixel editor like Ps (although it can work on none raw files too). It edits raw files in the develop panel and the effects panel. The effects panel is layered filters that apart from some excellent masking also provides for blending of the layers. At this stage we are still editing raw data with edits being retained is a sidecar file. I believe that even when switching to the more traditional layer functionality ON1 is still editing the raw data, although it does save that out to a proprietory "dot onone" file to preserve the layers. The nature of that file is still a mystery to me and I have enquired of the devs.
 
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