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Is it time to update my MacBook Pro?

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Since the last few LR Classic upgrades I have noticed more processing, navigation, and DeNoise delays. DeNoise is taking 35+ seconds to process a 25-30 mb file (painful since I can't do anything else with LR during this time). I am thinking I need to upgrade my computer and was hoping for some guidance. I couldn't find much in the Forum.
Currently I use a 2021 M1 14" MacBook Pro with 32Gb memory and 10/16 cores connected to a Studio Display. My catalog is on the internal SSD but my photos are on a Samsung T9 external drive connected with Thunderbolt 4 cable. My internal drive has 600 out of 1000 gb available and the external 880 of 4000gb available. BlackMagic disk speed test results 950 mb/sec write and 868 mb/sec read using 3 different cables and ports.
I am thinking of getting new 16" MBP but the configurations have become ever more complicated and although I like future-proofing to some degree I don't want total overkill.

Do you think my LR processing times are consistent with my hardware?

If I went to a new MBP what configuration would optimize LR performance without going too crazy on price?
 
A Denoise time of 35+ seconds sounds about the same as what I get for my 24-megapixel raw files on my MacBook Pro, which is similar to yours in age and configuration. (Number of megapixels is a lot more useful as a reference for comparison than number of megabytes, because the file size can vary a lot depending on compression, bit depth, etc.)

Do you think my LR processing times are consistent with my hardware?

Note that what you reported aren’t general Lightroom Classic processing times, but only Denoise. This is important because Denoise has a specific requirement: How fast it goes is specifically tied to how many GPU cores your Mac has, and that’s it. But general Lightroom Classic performance also depends on the CPU, and in some cases storage speed and amount of Unified Memory. For example, merging panoramas depends a lot more on the CPU and Unified Memory than on the GPU, which is the opposite of what makes Denoise fast.

Although I’ve been generally happy with Lightroom Classic performance on my M1 Pro up to now, new features are more demanding so I’m finally starting to think about upgrading my 2021 14" MacBook Pro too. Here are my thoughts on your question.

Just having an M4 or M5 should generally run Lightroom Classic faster than our current M1 Pro, because each CPU and GPU core has gotten much faster since the M1. But if your #1 concern is Denoise speed specifically, then you’ll want to make GPU performance a high priority in your next Mac. If you want to stick to laptops (MacBook Air and Pro), then:
  • The MacBook Air and base model MacBook Pro are the least appealing Mac laptops for running Denoise quickly, because those have the least number of GPU cores (8 to 10). However, the GPUs in the M4/M5 versions of those Macs might still beat our M1 Pros at Denoise just because the individual cores are faster now.
  • If you stick with the Pro tier processor like you and I have now, you get 16 or 20 GPU cores depending on the level you pay for. You can expect 20 GPU cores to run Denoise roughly twice as fast as the 10 cores of the base processor tier of the same generation.
  • If you upgrade to the Max processor, you get 32 or 40 GPU cores. This is as far as you can go with a Mac laptop, so if you pay the high price for the 40-GPU-core Max you might expect Denoise to run about 4x faster than the 10-core GPU in the base processor of the same generation.
You could get 8x the base GPU cores if you went up to the Ultra, but the only way to do that is with the most expensive Mac Studio desktop.

The number of CPU cores and the amount of Unified Memory won’t meaningfully affect speed or Denoise processing. Also, the Apple Neural Engine and the new neural cores in the M5 are not known to help Denoise at this time, but that might change.

The following screen shot is from the ArtIsRight video on YouTube linked here, and illustrates these points: You can see that the fastest Denoise times are turned in by the Macs with the most GPU cores. For the M4 32-core GPU in the MacBook Pro at the top turning in a time of 3 minutes 15 seconds for 10 raw images (a mix of 36, 45, and 60 megapixels), that works out to about 19.5 seconds per image. If they were all 36MP it would take less time, and if they were all 60MP images it would take more time. (My M1 Pro takes over one minute to denoise one 60MP image.)

The chart also shows that although the M5 GPU is about 20% faster than an M4 GPU with the same number of GPU cores in this Denoise test, the new M5 base tier processor is closer to the bottom of the list simply because it only has 10 GPU cores. When Apple finally gets around to releasing the M5 Pro and M5 Max processors (expected in early 2026), their higher number of fast GPU cores should place them closer to the top of this chart. If you have to buy today and Denoise speed is the top priority, the M4 Max or M3 Ultra processor is the way to go. On a budget, you could settle for the 20 GPU cores in the higher spec M4 Pro and that should still be an improvement over our M1 Pros.

(I added the callouts for the number of CPU cores and GPU cores)

Lightroom-Classic-Denoise-M5-ArtIsRight.jpg
 
I have an M2 Ultra Mac Studio with 64GB My 48mp NEFs take ~8 sec for denoise.

I'm not sure I would recommend a laptop because of the compromises made to fit the small form factor. But if an MBP then only look at the M4Max chip offerings. And this seems to agree with the. chart Conrad just posted.
 
Denoise on my Macbook Pro M2 Max takes about 9 - 12 seconds for 26 MP raws.

I'm quite happy with my Macbook Pro 16" as my only machine. I got it loaded (8 TB, 64 GB), with a Thunderbolt dock to a 4K display and external storage, so pricey, but no more so than buying a desktop and a Lightroom-able travel laptop.
 
A Denoise time of 35+ seconds sounds about the same as what I get for my 24-megapixel raw files on my MacBook Pro, which is similar to yours in age and configuration. (Number of megapixels is a lot more useful as a reference for comparison than number of megabytes, because the file size can vary a lot depending on compression, bit depth, etc.)



Note that what you reported aren’t general Lightroom Classic processing times, but only Denoise. This is important because Denoise has a specific requirement: How fast it goes is specifically tied to how many GPU cores your Mac has, and that’s it. But general Lightroom Classic performance also depends on the CPU, and in some cases storage speed and amount of Unified Memory. For example, merging panoramas depends a lot more on the CPU and Unified Memory than on the GPU, which is the opposite of what makes Denoise fast.

Although I’ve been generally happy with Lightroom Classic performance on my M1 Pro up to now, new features are more demanding so I’m finally starting to think about upgrading my 2021 14" MacBook Pro too. Here are my thoughts on your question.

Just having an M4 or M5 should generally run Lightroom Classic faster than our current M1 Pro, because each CPU and GPU core has gotten much faster since the M1. But if your #1 concern is Denoise speed specifically, then you’ll want to make GPU performance a high priority in your next Mac. If you want to stick to laptops (MacBook Air and Pro), then:
  • The MacBook Air and base model MacBook Pro are the least appealing Mac laptops for running Denoise quickly, because those have the least number of GPU cores (8 to 10). However, the GPUs in the M4/M5 versions of those Macs might still beat our M1 Pros at Denoise just because the individual cores are faster now.
  • If you stick with the Pro tier processor like you and I have now, you get 16 or 20 GPU cores depending on the level you pay for. You can expect 20 GPU cores to run Denoise roughly twice as fast as the 10 cores of the base processor tier of the same generation.
  • If you upgrade to the Max processor, you get 32 or 40 GPU cores. This is as far as you can go with a Mac laptop, so if you pay the high price for the 40-GPU-core Max you might expect Denoise to run about 4x faster than the 10-core GPU in the base processor of the same generation.
You could get 8x the base GPU cores if you went up to the Ultra, but the only way to do that is with the most expensive Mac Studio desktop.

The number of CPU cores and the amount of Unified Memory won’t meaningfully affect speed or Denoise processing. Also, the Apple Neural Engine and the new neural cores in the M5 are not known to help Denoise at this time, but that might change.

The following screen shot is from the ArtIsRight video on YouTube linked here, and illustrates these points: You can see that the fastest Denoise times are turned in by the Macs with the most GPU cores. For the M4 32-core GPU in the MacBook Pro at the top turning in a time of 3 minutes 15 seconds for 10 raw images (a mix of 36, 45, and 60 megapixels), that works out to about 19.5 seconds per image. If they were all 36MP it would take less time, and if they were all 60MP images it would take more time. (My M1 Pro takes over one minute to denoise one 60MP image.)

The chart also shows that although the M5 GPU is about 20% faster than an M4 GPU with the same number of GPU cores in this Denoise test, the new M5 base tier processor is closer to the bottom of the list simply because it only has 10 GPU cores. When Apple finally gets around to releasing the M5 Pro and M5 Max processors (expected in early 2026), their higher number of fast GPU cores should place them closer to the top of this chart. If you have to buy today and Denoise speed is the top priority, the M4 Max or M3 Ultra processor is the way to go. On a budget, you could settle for the 20 GPU cores in the higher spec M4 Pro and that should still be an improvement over our M1 Pros.

(I added the callouts for the number of CPU cores and GPU cores)

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Wow, thanks for the very detailed response. I understand the variables much better now. Of course there will always be something faster coming out next year and I have to decide when the current performance bothers me enough to drop big money on an upgrade. B&H has some substantial Black Friday deals going on now which also factors in.
Again, many thanks for helping me make a more informed decision.
 
Denoise on my Macbook Pro M2 Max takes about 9 - 12 seconds for 26 MP raws.

I'm quite happy with my Macbook Pro 16" as my only machine. I got it loaded (8 TB, 64 GB), with a Thunderbolt dock to a 4K display and external storage, so pricey, but no more so than buying a desktop and a Lightroom-able travel laptop.
Thanks, I also like the idea of having one computer that I can use at home with a monitor or travel with a reasonably sized screen.
9-12 seconds sounds like a huge improvement from 30-35.
 
I have an M2 Ultra Mac Studio with 64GB My 48mp NEFs take ~8 sec for denoise.

I'm not sure I would recommend a laptop because of the compromises made to fit the small form factor. But if an MBP then only look at the M4Max chip offerings. And this seems to agree with the. chart Conrad just posted.
Many thanks. I have liked having one machine for home and travel but I will reconsider having a Studio or the like for at home. I have heard that downloading images and updating the catalog to the home machine after a trip is pretty straightforward.
 
I keep my catalog and last 2 years images on an external ssd. 95% of the time it is connected to my Windows custom desktop. When I travel, with my M2 MacAir, I just plug my ssd into the MacAir. The net result…a. I have my full catalog with me all the time. 2. I only ever need to reference images for the last few weeks or maybe a month or 2. 3. I never have to upload my images when I return from a trip. They are uploaded (and backed up while travelling. 4. I only ever use the same catalog so have no complications synching to the Adobe cloud, whether travelling or back at base.

Ps. Many do not factor the size of their current camera sensor into the equation. My well specified custom build was good while using an a7riii… but it crawled … ie permanent spinning beach balls when I upgraded to an A7RV. The timing chart above is such a useful point of reference.
 
I keep my catalog and last 2 years images on an external ssd. 95% of the time it is connected to my Windows custom desktop. When I travel, with my M2 MacAir, I just plug my ssd into the MacAir. The net result…a. I have my full catalog with me all the time. 2. I only ever need to reference images for the last few weeks or maybe a month or 2. 3. I never have to upload my images when I return from a trip. They are uploaded (and backed up while travelling. 4. I only ever use the same catalog so have no complications synching to the Adobe cloud, whether travelling or back at base.

Ps. Many do not factor the size of their current camera sensor into the equation. My well specified custom build was good while using an a7riii… but it crawled … ie permanent spinning beach balls when I upgraded to an A7RV. The timing chart above is such a useful point of reference.
Sounds pretty easy and efficient. Most of my recent images are on a 4tb ssd. I have avoided putting my catalog on the external drive because I was told that slows things down. Has that been a problem for you?
 
Many thanks. I have liked having one machine for home and travel but I will reconsider having a Studio or the like for at home. I have heard that downloading images and updating the catalog to the home machine after a trip is pretty straightforward.

I actually use Lightroom mobile on my iPadPro when I travel. Lightroom syncs with the Adobe Cloud and the cloud syncs to my master catalog on my Mac Studio. Seamless and automatic


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Modern SSDs are more than fast enough. If you also have a modern Thunderbolt port and a Thunderbolt spec cable then an external disk is not a factor in performance.

I built a custom pc , with bleeding edge internal Nvme M2 drives… expecting a performance boost.. but saw no improvement. Basically, if your disk I/o exceeds that of an internal spinning disk it is good enough for LrC.

I make sure I have a heavy duty cable and I do not leave the disk hanging out of a desktop or laptop. Just basic common sense. On the other hand, I have seen many laptops rendered obsolete because the ports were damaged due to tripping over a cable.

My travel laptop is a very modest MacAir M2. Modern Apple laptops will be seriously more powerful. But for me, when I travel, I want my MacAir to: 1. Ingest my images from card to their final folder destination on my data SSD. 2. Allow me do proper backups (to a second external ssd). 3. Import my images to the catalog. 4. Review my images to ensure I am not doing anything stupid, either with my camera settings or overall workflow. 5. Select a handful of images to share with family and friends (using Adobe cloud albums using synched collection). I do not do any heavy processing while travelling and do not expect my MacAir to be a performance machine. My custom built desktop was close to leading edge when new, but now approaching middle age, but can cope with my 60MB raw images.

We all have unique needs… so always a challenge to select the the most appropriate hardware when software and hardware specs evolve so quickly.
 
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