Importing RAW Files into Lightroom

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How do I import my pictures into Lightroom 2.5 and not lose the image presets from a RAW file (i.e. B&W, Contrast, Sharpness, etc.)? On my Canon 4'D, when I change the camera settings to be B&W, I then lose all the presets attached to the RAW photo once it is imported into Lightroom. What am I doing wrong? What should I do instead?
 
Any settings in the camera that adjust the appearance of the photograph are not stored in Raw files (as opposed to settings that change how the sensor reacts to light). Raw files contain only the level of light captured by the sensor. Therefore, things like B&W, Sepia, COntrast, sharpness are not stored in Raw files; these settings affect only JPG files.
 
KCJ, welcome to the forums.

It depends. If you find the camera's internal processing styles of value, by all means shoot JPG. Many, many folks get great results that way, and to a large extent your camera is optimized by the mfgr for just that purpose. Pleasant pictures sell cameras.

Realize, however, that raw files, while often less satisfying at first view, contain significantly more data, i.e. 12bits (I believe for the 4'D) vs 8bits per pixel for JPGs. In addition, given the actual sensor data, which is contained within the raw files, you have far more options in re-rendering the images at a later date with different render profiles or engines. Our friend and LR guru Victoria B. compares this to raw being represented by a brand new fresh box of Play-Doh colors, while the JPG from your camera has already started mixing the Play-Doh on its eventual journey to that icky grayish, bluish, purple gunk that all Play-Doh eventually becomes. In post processing terms, we call pixel based files, such as JPG, 'baked-in'. With raw, you get to bake the picture, while also keeping your ingredients still fresh in the mixing bowl. You'll notice that we tend to use a lot of metaphors in describing all this, because until you've gotten your hands good and dirty for a while, it's a concept many find hard to grasp, strictly from the technical descriptions.

With many cameras, there is a middle ground. You can shoot raw+JPG, within the camera, and with the proper preference setting, LR will import the files separately. This will give you the best of both worlds; the instant gratification of the camera JPG, combined with the matching raw, which will provide almost endless opportunities for tweaking after the fact. Particularly valuable if you mangle the exposure or something on an irreproducible shot.
 
[quote author=KCJ21' link=topic=8567.msg57928#msg57928 date=126''66237]
Is it better than to use RAW or JPEG files?
[/quote]If you have a fairly recent Canon, you can have the best of both worlds, RAW+JPEG. If you set the camera to capture RAW +JPEG, you get two files out for every snap of the shutter. One is the proprietary CR2 RAW file and the othger is the JPEG that your camera software produced from the RAW image based upon the settings that you instructed the camera to use before you took the photo.

I routinely use this feature with my Pentax and get a DNG and a JPG out of the camera for every photo. I find that im most cases. the out of the camera JPEG is 'good enough' At most all I woll do is crop the image.For those once in a lifetime photos or those when the lighting was not optimim, I have the DNG to process with LR to bring out the best image possible. Once I've imported, culled out the throwaways, I make the decision to retain or toss the JPEG.
 
Jpgs are for guys for whom "good enough" is worth the saving in time and effort. RAW is for over confident anal-retentive types who obsess about getting the maximum from the image. A lot of them succeed.
 
[quote author=tzalman link=topic=8567.msg57962#msg57962 date=126'138363]
RAW is for over confident anal-retentive types who obsess about getting the maximum from the image.
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I guess I am one of those??? The main reason why I use RAW is to take advantage of more data. Everybody is different. Do whatever you do to make yourself happy. I will not tell you what to do. Only you can decide on what files to import. If you are satisfied with JPEG, stay with JPEG. If you do not like it, change the files. Experiment. You are the final judge and jury.

Bob- the slide shooter at heart
 
[quote author=tzalman link=topic=8567.msg57962#msg57962 date=126'138363]
... RAW is for over confident anal-retentive types who obsess about getting the maximum from the image...[/quote] Na! The real anal retentives shoot both RAW+JPEG like me.

I think we are losing sight of our OPs original question. My response was intended to suggest that the OP try both simultaneously. Whether you Shoot Raw Exclisively or JPEG exclusively or Like me shoot both, ultimate boil down to getting out of your photos what you need to meet your expectations.

For me, making a decision to shoot one or the other places an artificial limitation on the photograph before I press the shutter. By throwing away 9'% of what I import, I delay that decision into the post process and beyond.
One negative aspect of shooting only JPEG is that once it is out of the camera, you are limited forever with what you might do to improve the image. With a RAW image preserved. technological improvements 5, 1' or 1'' years from now may make a 'Silk purse from a Sow's ear".
 
I think tsalman has one point backward. Raw is for the UNDER confident types like me who feel we need that extra latitude there for when we screw up exposure or white balance or something.
 
[quote author=egd5 link=topic=8567.msg58'27#msg58'27 date=126'23495']
I think tsalman has one point backward. Raw is for the UNDER confident types like me who feel we need that extra latitude there for when we screw up exposure or white balance or something.
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A popular misconception. RAW is for those who like the flexibility to be able to create their own Jpegs (or whatever output format you prefer) using their own skills and preferences rather than allowing the camera one chance to generically produce Jpegs to predefined output settings.
 
[quote author=MarkNicholas link=topic=8567.msg58'28#msg58'28 date=126'236'27]
[quote author=egd5 link=topic=8567.msg58'27#msg58'27 date=126'23495']
I think tsalman has one point backward. Raw is for the UNDER confident types like me who feel we need that extra latitude there for when we screw up exposure or white balance or something.
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I shoot raw because I am confident that, with the tools provided in LR and other premium raw conversion software I can achieve better results than the recipe provided by the camera manufacturers period. Those without the confidence can stick with the canned profile. Like sending your film in the old days to the 1 hour processing.
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[quote author=clee'1l link=topic=8567.msg57931#msg57931 date=126''69481]
[quote author=KCJ21' link=topic=8567.msg57928#msg57928 date=126''66237]
Is it better than to use RAW or JPEG files?
[/quote]If you have a fairly recent Canon, you can have the best of both worlds, RAW+JPEG. If you set the camera to capture RAW +JPEG, you get two files out for every snap of the shutter. One is the proprietary CR2 RAW file and the othger is the JPEG that your camera software produced from the RAW image based upon the settings that you instructed the camera to use before you took the photo.

I routinely use this feature with my Pentax and get a DNG and a JPG out of the camera for every photo. I find that im most cases. the out of the camera JPEG is 'good enough' At most all I woll do is crop the image.For those once in a lifetime photos or those when the lighting was not optimim, I have the DNG to process with LR to bring out the best image possible. Once I've imported, culled out the throwaways, I make the decision to retain or toss the JPEG.
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After culling my photos, I take a hybrid, almost opposite, approach to that, particularly with more casual photos or travel photos: If it's a well composed photo, interesting, or of any value to me, I keep both the .dng and .jpg. If not, I either delete both, or delete just the Raw, not the JPEG, as in those cases, "good enough" is worth it to me compared to the time and effort of further processing.
 
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