- Lightroom Version Number
- Lightroom Classic 11.2 / Adobe CC Photographer Subscription (20gb)
- Operating System
- Windows 10
So I am attempting to get a workflow together using:
Apologies for the wall of text from a new user.... this seems like the best discussion forum on the internet for lightroom so I'm just throwing it all out there in the hope of useful feedback!
Background:
I have used LRC for... at least 12 years I guess. I have a single primary catalog with 300k+ photos in it, no videos. I may also have smaller working catalogs, but I don't persist them, they are not relevant from a syncing perspective. I take photos on multiple devices but they all get plugged into my PC and the photos imported to LRC. Unlike most of the discussions here on Classic / Cloud workflow, I don't want to edit in both platforms. I have no issues with LRC to the point where I export a processed, tagged JPG. However, currently those JPGs sit on my PC or a NAS and normally go nowhere. When I want to post them online, or share them, or send them to anyone, I have to dig out the file by searching in LRC and either digging out the export or re-exporting another copy. I have some processed photos on flickr, some on google photos, some on my personal site (on squarespace), and some on facebook. Probably I have some in dropbox folders too, and maybe in other places as well. So, I want to:
Objectives:
- Lightroom Classic (LRC),
- Lightroom web / online - i.e. lightroom accessed from lightroom.adobe.com in a browser - I'm not sure exactly what to call this, so I'll call it Lightroom Online (LRO) here.
- Adobe Portfolio (AP).
Apologies for the wall of text from a new user.... this seems like the best discussion forum on the internet for lightroom so I'm just throwing it all out there in the hope of useful feedback!
Background:
I have used LRC for... at least 12 years I guess. I have a single primary catalog with 300k+ photos in it, no videos. I may also have smaller working catalogs, but I don't persist them, they are not relevant from a syncing perspective. I take photos on multiple devices but they all get plugged into my PC and the photos imported to LRC. Unlike most of the discussions here on Classic / Cloud workflow, I don't want to edit in both platforms. I have no issues with LRC to the point where I export a processed, tagged JPG. However, currently those JPGs sit on my PC or a NAS and normally go nowhere. When I want to post them online, or share them, or send them to anyone, I have to dig out the file by searching in LRC and either digging out the export or re-exporting another copy. I have some processed photos on flickr, some on google photos, some on my personal site (on squarespace), and some on facebook. Probably I have some in dropbox folders too, and maybe in other places as well. So, I want to:
Objectives:
- Keep the keywording, organization, post-processing, in LRC.
- Get a "good enough for web viewing" copy of all the 3* and above photos online for my own use. This is where I want to use LRO.
- Share sets of photos with family on an ad-hoc basis. For this, I think I can share Albums from LRO
- Get my best photos online semi-permanently on my site. For this, I think I can use AP, again part of my subscription.
- I import photos in LRC exactly as now, process in LRC exactly as now. (I also run backups exactly as now, since I'm not treating the adobe cloud as a backup.)
- I add the 3*+ photos to one or more collections that get synced to LRO. It seems I can't use smart collections for that, but that's fine, I can add them as the final step in my editing workflow.
- I can myself then browse through LRO wherever I am, whenever I want to look at my own photos, rather than needing to open LRC, or browse through folders on a NAS. This is already a big step forward for me...
- Keywords not synching properly is a bit of an issue, but as I understand it: as long as I save metadata to the file before syncing (and do not already have a smart preview generated (which I won't, as I don't use them)), the synched file will have keywords correctly tagged on initial upload. I can't access the keyword hierarchy in LRO, but I can search by existing keywords, which is good enough. I don't need to add new keywords in LRO, so them not syncing back is not an issue. I might *occasionally* need to update keywords from LRC, but that's very much an exceptional process, so I can come up with some workflow by which I first remove the photos from the synched collection, remove the smart preview, edit the keywords, then re-add and re-sync the photos - this is a pain but not an insurmountable problem.
- I tag all (important) people in LRC. Faces tagged in LRC don't show in LRO, but the keyword tag does appear so I can do a search by name, which is the most important thing. I don't want cloud-based processing of faces, so will keep face detection disabled in LRO.
- Question - if I want to select a subset of photos for sharing, I'm not sure whether it's best to use LRC or LRO.... it seems like if I sync one big LRC collection of "2021 photos" and then a subset collection of "2021 Christmas with family" the adobe sync should be smart enough to not upload the same smart preview twice.... but I'm not sure, maybe it would be easier to do all the selection in LRO?
- Either way, I end up with an album in LRO which I can then share to family by using "Share & Invite". This is the second big win, since it doesn't need me to pick a service and re-upload them.
- I can also synchronize my best album with Adobe Portfolio where they'll be publicly visible. Third win, since I can re-point my domain to AP and stop paying for squarespace.
- I guess I could at some point use Lightroom on Mobile / Desktop as well, but I don't really need to as long as I have LRO in a browser....
- If I upload from LRC, I think it uploads the smart previews only. Does this count against my adobe cloud storage quota? The implication is no, but that seems too good to be true?! I could upload web-resolution copies of 50k photos for free?
- Downloading a jpg from LRO produces a file that is 2048x1366 (which is fine) but has no metadata: tags, ratings, etc. (which is a bit of a pain). I guess there is no way around this?
- I'm a bit hazy on what happens on delete. I never delete from LRC, so that's not an issue, but if I remove a photo from all synched collections presumably it vanishes from LRO and subsequently from AP.... not sure if it's all automatic or I have to give it a kick along the way....
- If I need to share full resolution files for someone else to download and print, I guess I need another workflow. Not sure how I could get the originals / full-res JPGs from LRC to LRO? I don't really want to use Lightroom-not-classic-on-desktop because it will create another local copy of all the smart previews? This isn't really important as it's quite a rare occurrence, maybe I could just manually upload exported files though the browser?
- I have a plugin on LRC to put borders / name on a photo for export. It would be nice to keep doing this to all online web copies, but as far as I can tell, there is no way to put that into the sync workflow since an export isn't being performed?
- I don't really see the point of Gallery in LRO if I use AP.... any reason it's relevant?
- Hypothetically, I might want to use Lightroom on mobile to upload originals, download them from LRC, delete the the originals from LRO and push them through this same workflow. But I have a feeling this might be a step too far, and likely to lead to confusion, probably best to just have smart previews online to keep the workflow clear?