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Has the Photography Plan changed? Did Classic just double in price?

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Again I typed in Adobe in the browser search field and the main page came up. I clicked on learn about the plan and on the next page clicked on choose the right plan for you (all plans and pricing) and all 3 showed up.

This is odd. Adobe definitely wants you to use LR CC and while people speculate that Classic will die ( I wonder myself) the $20 month plan doesn't even offer LR CC.
We have no way of knowing of course, but i'm going to guess that there are warring camps inside Adobe regarding the future of LR Classic.
 

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i think you’re right.

no company wants to split resources and double effort across multiple products.

and since the future is internet/online and mobile devices... it’s just a matter of time
 

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i think you’re right.

no company wants to split resources and double effort across multiple products.

and since the future is internet/online and mobile devices... it’s just a matter of time
Mike,

The real issues are much more complicated than just "multiple products" and we have all discussed these issues, particularly when Lightroom 7 and subscription-only pricing were announced in Oct, 2017. Just look at the old threads.

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As long as LR CC is robust as Classic and I have a "choice" of whether I want to send my files to the cloud or store locally I'll be OK with it. I realize I can still store files locally with the current LR CC but they have to go to the cloud. Hopefully this option for desktop users will be there.
 

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We have no way of knowing of course, but i'm going to guess that there are warring camps inside Adobe regarding the future of LR Classic.
FWIW, I don't see this as being anything whatsoever to do with whether Classic will survive or not. I'm sure there are warring factions, but I'm pretty sure their debates are about pricing, because that's what marketing guys do.


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FWIW, I don't see this as being anything whatsoever to do with whether Classic will survive or not. I'm sure there are warring factions, but I'm pretty sure their debates are about pricing, because that's what marketing guys do.

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I thought marketing staff tried to confuse the public and to buy the wrong product? What other reason could be given by the naming disaster? :D
 

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Not sure why it was a naming disaster. I found it pretty straight forward. I just typed a in few searches and it was pretty clear. Classic was like LR6 and CC was a new app geared towards mobile devices. They probably spent some time on it and decided no naming convention would have been great. I worked in manufacturing for over 30 years. A few things Iearned. People always hated change and it is hard to make 5 people happy let alone hundreds. Choose some names and I'll pick them apart :)
 

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FWIW, I don't see this as being anything whatsoever to do with whether Classic will survive or not. I'm sure there are warring factions, but I'm pretty sure their debates are about pricing, because that's what marketing guys do.
In a lot of high tech companies, product managers are also part of marketing. And product managers fight about capabilities and specs along with price.
I have no idea as to how the product management structure in Adobe is set up wrt to PhotoShop, Lightroom, et al.
 

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In a lot of high tech companies, product managers are also part of marketing. I have no idea as to how the product management structure in Adobe.
Marketing's a separate department at Adobe, and are a law unto themselves.
 

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I find that if you search for pricing on a "Lightroom Plan" you only get LR CC and not Classic, but if you search for pricing on the "Lightroom Photography Plan" you get Classic + CC + 20 GB or 1 TB cloud storage. So maybe the key is to include "photography" in your search.
 

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I thought marketing staff tried to confuse the public and to buy the wrong product? What other reason could be given by the naming disaster? :D
Incompetence?

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Not sure why it was a naming disaster. I found it pretty straight forward. I just typed a in few searches and it was pretty clear. Classic was like LR6 and CC was a new app geared towards mobile devices. They probably spent some time on it and decided no naming convention would have been great. I worked in manufacturing for over 30 years. A few things Iearned. People always hated change and it is hard to make 5 people happy let alone hundreds. Choose some names and I'll pick them apart :)
LightRoom Cloud or LightRoom NG for (Next Generation) or LightRoom Next

LightRoom Desktop for "classic"
 

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LightRoom Cloud or LightRoom NG for (Next Generation) or LightRoom Next

LightRoom Desktop for "classic"
Lightroom Cloud and Lightroom Desktop. What could be more clear?
 

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I find that if you search for pricing on a "Lightroom Plan" you only get LR CC and not Classic, but if you search for pricing on the "Lightroom Photography Plan" you get Classic + CC + 20 GB or 1 TB cloud storage. So maybe the key is to include "photography" in your search.
That's a crazy situation. My guess: The webpage's metadata tags are incomplete.

Phil
 

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I can see still distinguishing the 3 for CC between desktop would still be confusing unless you did a little reading first. LightRoom Cloud is still unclear because the entire package including the desktop app is a part of the Creative Cloud package.

As for Lightroom Desktop. This is not me but a response in general I can see happening. "So is that still perpetual licensing? Why not? LR6 is and is desktop. Why didn't they come up with a better name so I would know it is subscription".

I have thought about this and I couldn't come up with better names that would be crystal clear at first glance. You would have to do some research.
 

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@Zenon

Photoshop is only sold as a subscription. There are many examples. No need to have that in the name; and not exactly a problem.
Desktop states the focus.
Cloud states the focus.

Neither would prohibit either product from playing some in the other space.
 

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I guess if they'd consulted the British public on the names, there's a fair chance Lightroom CC would have been released as Lighty McLightroomface.
 

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@Zenon

Photoshop is only sold as a subscription. There are many examples. No need to have that in the name; and not exactly a problem.
Desktop states the focus.
Cloud states the focus.

Neither would prohibit either product from playing some in the other space.
PS is another thing. Not to say anything negative about the way you named the LR's but it could be misinterpreted as both are exactly like the previous LR6, one operates in the cloud or has cloud storage and the other on the desktop like before. The desktop could have meant perpetual licensing to some unless you did some reading.

It it as been over a year and a half and we know how this works. You don't know how people would have reacted with different names. I'm no expert but I don't think it would have been that easy without some research. LR7 going to subscription and introducing LR CC at the same time was the bottle neck. Also people thought you had to use cloud storage with Classic which didn't help.
 

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PS is another thing. Not to say anything negative about the way you named the LR's but it could be misinterpreted as both are exactly like the previous LR6, one operates in the cloud or has cloud storage and the other on the desktop like before. The desktop could have meant perpetual licensing to some unless you did some reading.

It it as been over a year and a half and we know how this works. You don't know how people would have reacted with different names. I'm no expert but I don't think it would have been that easy without some research. LR7 going to subscription and introducing LR CC at the same time was the bottle neck. Also people thought you had to use cloud storage with Classic which didn't help.
Zenon,

I believe you are over thinking it.
And 18 months after the name change was completed, I still see confusion in the marketplace. Regardless of Adobe intent, I have multiple friends and family that decided against Adobe for image management precisely because of the new names. And like I posted earlier, I have three friends that together decided they would organize photos and learn the same tool so they can help each other. The website shenanigans; plus the name change convinced all three they should look elsewhere.
 

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Zenon,

I believe you are over thinking it.
And 18 months after the name change was completed, I still see confusion in the marketplace. Regardless of Adobe intent, I have multiple friends and family that decided against Adobe for image management precisely because of the new names. And like I posted earlier, I have three friends that together decided they would organize photos and learn the same tool so they can help each other. The website shenanigans; plus the name change convinced all three they should look elsewhere.
Not shenanigans. Just confusion, based on a lack of strategy and clear thinking, plus lack of feedback from the marketplace.
 

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Zenon,

I believe you are over thinking it.
And 18 months after the name change was completed, I still see confusion in the marketplace. Regardless of Adobe intent, I have multiple friends and family that decided against Adobe for image management precisely because of the new names. And like I posted earlier, I have three friends that together decided they would organize photos and learn the same tool so they can help each other. The website shenanigans; plus the name change convinced all three they should look elsewhere.
Well one of those good conversations that will not settle either side. We have our views and I respect yours. I think the roll out was bad but I will continue to think that naming them differently would not have helped much. I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but it didn't me take very long to figure out what each did. It took longer to figure out whether or not I had to use cloud storage with Classic because it became part of the Creative Cloud app family. If your read forums the world Cloud itself can make people uncomfortable. Even if CC had not been part of the name or named differently I still would have investigated that carefully just to be sure because it went subscription, which was new to me. I wasn't going to walk away from a program I liked without taking some time to understand the changes.
 

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I hate to revive this thread, but I was looking at a few offers from B&H and then looked at the Adobe web site and it appears that the $10 Classic plan is not showing up. More split pricing or is this now permanent?

--Ken
Using this link you can still get the plan for $9.99 per month. Using the drop down menu next to the price you can pay for the year. At least it locks in your price for the next 12 months.
Rumor is that in the near future you might be able to pay for three years. RUMOR. We shouldn't be surprised about a price increase but we can be very disappointed that the increase might be 100%.

 

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There are a lot of rumors going around right now, and very few have a factual basis. It is ALREADY possible to pay for multiple years right now by purchasing the yearly pre-paid cards from third parties and redeeming them all. The expiry date just gets extended with each card. Not that I'm saying you should.

To clarify what happened, Adobe removed the 20GB plan from their website in some locations as a market research test. The test failed in fairly spectacular fashion. This was a test for NEW customers, not a threat to double the price for existing customers. An inflationary price rise is likely at some stage, as it hasn't changed in 5 years, but that's very different to the rumors of prices doubling.
 

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As I recall it was supposed to be $19.99 but Adobe had an introductory offer of $9.99 for about a year. If you got in that price was grandfathered excluding inflationary increases. Looks like they extended that offer for much longer.
 
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