file size in Photoshop different (way higher!) than Lightroom?

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can someone explain why if I go to "Image size" in Photoshop the number in megabytes is waaaay higher than it should be?
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unless the "M" in the image size of Photoshop stands for something else?
 

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The image in the pre screen shot is a lossy compressed JPEG. What is the file type opened in PS? Is it a TIFF? Does it have layers? Is it compressed? These answers will affected the file size.


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The image in the pre screen shot is a lossy compressed JPEG. What is the file type opened in PS? Is it a TIFF? Does it have layers? Is it compressed? These answers will affected the file size.


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same exact JPEG file... the same file no layers no nothing
 
same exact JPEG file... the same file no layers no nothing

At the top of the PS window what is the listed file type? Is it really JPEG? Or the default you chose in the Edit In window of Lightroom. PS will uncompress the JPEG before opening. It may even reserve space for layers.


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At the top of the PS window what is the listed file type? Is it really JPEG? Or the default you chose in the Edit In window of Lightroom. PS will uncompress the JPEG before opening. It may even reserve space for layers.


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yes it's a jpeg. this happens no matter what image I open on photoshop. the image size is always much bigger than what lightroom or mac inspector says. can you please try yourself?
 
The explanation is simple. What you see in Photoshop is not the (jpeg-compressed) file size on disk, but the uncompressed image size in RAM. Lightroom shows you the file size, so you are comparing apples and oranges.
 
The explanation is simple. What you see in Photoshop is not the (jpeg-compressed) file size on disk, but the uncompressed image size in RAM. Lightroom shows you the file size, so you are comparing apples and oranges.
thanks I finally got it thanks to this article - not exactly obvious, at least for me.

https://www.photoshopessentials.com...#:~:text=One megabyte is equal to,to just "M").

so it's the total pixel size, multiplied by 3 channels, then divided by 1024, then divided by 1024 again to get to megabytes.

why not show the file size on disk too?
 
yes it's a jpeg. this happens no matter what image I open on photoshop. the image size is always much bigger than what lightroom or mac inspector says. can you please try yourself?

I can not try since I am using an IPadPro to access the website. As I said before Photoshop will un compress the lossy compressed JPEG and tell you the size of the uncompressed image in pixels converted to MB. This is to be expected. If you save the file as a lossy compressed JPEG from Photoshop, PS will toss out pixels that it considers irrelevant and produce a another lossy JPEG. Each time you save a JPEG, you lose Pixels due to compression. These are not recovered when the JPEG is opened and r expanded t the full size. If you do this enough generations, then the JPEG will start showing artifacts of the lossy compression. Editing a first generation JPEG and saving it will not show an observable data loss.

If you can you should capture the original image in a RAW file or a lossless file type.


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thanks I finally got it thanks to this article - not exactly obvious, at least for me.

https://www.photoshopessentials.com/basics/how-to-calculate-image-size-in-photoshop/#:~:text=One megabyte is equal to,to just "M").

so it's the total pixel size, multiplied by 3 channels, then divided by 1024, then divided by 1024 again to get to megabytes.

why not show the file size on disk too?
The file size on disk is irrelevant, because Photoshop could only show you the size of the original image, so without the edits you made after you opened it. In many cases, you would have to choose a different file type to save the images with its edits, for example if you added layers. Because Photoshop doesn’t know what file type you are going to choose (tiff, psd, with compression, without compression), it cannot predict the final file size.
 
ok thanks, but using the same logic also Lightroom shouldn't tell you the file size on disk, as it doesn't know what file type you will chose to export to. (psd, tiff ect). so why one does and the other doesn't? not trying to polemic, I genuinely don't understand why this information is deemed "irrelevant". not to me at least
 
ok thanks, but using the same logic also Lightroom shouldn't tell you the file size on disk, as it doesn't know what file type you will chose to export to. (psd, tiff ect). so why one does and the other doesn't? not trying to polemic, I genuinely don't understand why this information is deemed "irrelevant". not to me at least

File size is irrelevant because of compression. A lossy compressed file is smaller than a lossless uncompressed file of the same image. In Lightroom or PS, you work with pixels (three color pixels as Johan explained) not Megabytes. When you save the edited file in either LrC or PS, you need to select a file type that will not be lossy compressed IF you plane to do further processing with this derivative image.

Ps can create images that can contain layers. Each layer can be the same number of pixels as a single layer. Layers can then create huge files from a much smaller original. If you save as a JPEG you will always get a lossy compressed single layer output. This will be similar in size to the original if the original is a lossy compressed JPEG. If you save your output file as a TIFF is can be compressed losslessly and it can contain preserved layers if you created layers in Ps.


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There is another way to look at this. Photoshop is a sophisticated image editor. Some edits are about changing pixels. Others apply changes via mathematical adjustments, such as levels, curves, blending different layers, etc.

To do this and avoid clipping internal values, Photoshop will import,say, a jpg into a virtual internal space. This may be 16, or 32 bit space, at the same time working in a much larger colour space such as AdobeRGB or ProPhoto.

If you open an 8 bit jpg from Lr into Ps, using user settable default values for bit depth and colour space results in a bigger virtual (ie still in memory) file size.

The size visible from within Ps reflects these settings.

Then when you wish to save the file , Photoshop will default typically to a 16 bit tiff or psd. Again, you can change these default values.

Therefore opening an 8 bit jpg and saving it as a 16 bit psd, with absolutely no edits involved will result in a psd which will be at least twice as big as the jpg , but maybe supstantially greater, depending on compression options.

Adding edits, layers, masks etc then proportionally makes the file bigger.

I was initially horrified how big a raw file in Lr became a monster Psd after a round trip to Ps. I stopped worrying about it for 2 reasons.
1. Return trips to Ps, for me, are a small percentage of my images captured.
2. Storage space has become very cost effective.

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ok thanks, but using the same logic also Lightroom shouldn't tell you the file size on disk, as it doesn't know what file type you will chose to export to. (psd, tiff ect). so why one does and the other doesn't? not trying to polemic, I genuinely don't understand why this information is deemed "irrelevant". not to me at least
Lightroom can tell you the file size on disk, because Lightroom is a non-destructive editor. Edits do not change the original file, so no matter how many edits you have made, the reported file size is still correct. An exported file is a totally new image and for the same reason as in Photoshop, Lightroom cannot predict what export settings you are going to choose.
 
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