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If you send the file as DNG with the XMP data in the DNG the editor will have to send the large DNG back to you. If you send a RAW and associated XMP file then the editor will just have to send the small XMP back to you. Otherwise, there should not be a difference. BTW, the edits are not BAKED IN in a DNG file in the same manner they are "baked in" a TIFF or JPG. The DNG is still fully editable.
Not if the original is a Raw file, i.e. exporting a Raw file as DNG retains the Raw data just as when converting the Raw file to DNG.If you export as DNG, the data block will be processed RGB data
Hi and thank you. There will be further editing done, but I don't know what. Nothing too intense, just basic adjustments.Welcome to the forum. What will the editor be doing with the file?
--Ken
Not if the original is a Raw file, i.e. exporting a Raw file as DNG retains the Raw data just as when converting the Raw file to DNG.
Try exporting an edited raw file as DNG, choosing "Add to the Catalog". Then examine the resulting DNG....in Develop you should see the same Raw profile and slider positions as the original Raw. Check in the Library Metadata panel, DNG preset, and you should see that "Mosaic Data" is recorded as "Yes".If I edit a RAW file in LrC, make many adjustments and choose to Export as a DNG I get an Edited image not a RAW. This is the same as Exporting as a TIFF. The only way that’s I know to get a RAW image on export is to export as original.
I did that and see that there is an export option to "Embed original RAW File". From this I can only conclude that without that option checked, the data block viewed by Lightroom is RGB and that you need to add a RAW data block alongside the RGB data block to preserve the RAW data.Try exporting an edited raw file as DNG
I know I’m late to this thread but what will your external editor accept? Also, since it’s one way, why not just use TIFF? If the external editor has a LrC plugin, you can get the results back allowing you to manage all interactions of your image in LrCIs there any difference if I am sending an editor my original files with xmps or if I convert to dng first and bake it in?
I have that option unchecked. Did you leave it unchecked and then proceeded with the export? With what result?I did that and see that there is an export option to "Embed original RAW File".
Thank you! I will check out that information.Consider also what might be a better option- that is to [Export as a Catalog] with Smart Previews for the Editor. When this temporary Catalog (ie. the Catalog ONLY!) is returned, you [Import from another Catalog], and 'everything' is included.
A quote from this link: "using Lightroom Classic and sending a catalog with smart previews is the best option..."
CLIENT EDITING Prepping Files to Send
And you may find interesting comments in this link-
CLIENT EDITING REMOTE
Thank you for all the information! This exchange was very informative. So what really is the difference between a raw file and a dng then since all the editing info becomes inserted into the dng just like if there was a sidecar xmp or embedded in a tiff or pds? My purpose started as trying to learn about the options for sending a photo that already has my edits to an editor or for us to go back and forth with edits in the most efficient way. I have been using tiffs or psds. But wonder what is lost or gained between the different options of raw with sidecar, tiff, dng, psd? I would like to establish a routine and sometimes the editor ask me what I want to do and I don't feel educated about all this. Thank you!I have that option unchecked. Did you leave it unchecked and then proceeded with the export? With what result?
Here are a few screenshots of the process on my Mac system, starting with the original raw file in Develop:
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Now my Export as DNG Settings:
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Here's the resulting DNG file in Develop. Note the Profile and the non-zero slider settings, then compare them with the original Raw.
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And here's the Metadata Panel for the DNG file:
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I hope we can agree that the output file is definitely raw data in the DNG wrapper, and of course I would be very interested in knowing if you are seeing a different result.
Also, included as an option beside the above formats is using a new catalog to exchange photo edits, but when its only a handful of photos is that worth doing? And much of the edits are done in LR AND PS. Thanks again!I have that option unchecked. Did you leave it unchecked and then proceeded with the export? With what result?
Here are a few screenshots of the process on my Mac system, starting with the original raw file in Develop:
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Now my Export as DNG Settings:
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Here's the resulting DNG file in Develop. Note the Profile and the non-zero slider settings, then compare them with the original Raw.
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And here's the Metadata Panel for the DNG file:
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I hope we can agree that the output file is definitely raw data in the DNG wrapper, and of course I would be very interested in knowing if you are seeing a different result.
A DNG is a file container, based upon the TIFF/EP6 standard. All image files types contain one or more metadata blocks (EXIF, IPTC, XML, etc.). All Image file types contain one or more data block (Thumbnails are a type of data block). TIFFs, JPEGs, and similar image file types only contain RGB data (pixels) in their data blocks. Proprietary RAW file types (NEF, CR2, etc.) contains one data block that is not RGB image pixels, it is a collection of photosite values recorded by the camera. Proprietary RAW file types will also contain at least one data block of in camera processed JPEG pixels. This may or may not be full size. There will also be a JPEG thumbnail.So what really is the difference between a raw file and a dng then since all the editing info becomes inserted into the dng just like if there was a sidecar xmp or embedded in a tiff or pds?
Don't do it. Send the raw file with a sidecar. There have been whole articles about this. I don't send to an editor, but guys were saying that if more than one editor is tossing it around and editing that its better with a sidecar. Anyway, I'm starting not to like DNG. Ive been shooting it for a few months now and miss my proprietary Fuji, Canon and Nikon raws with sidecars. Hey Clete - that was a really good primer you wrote. If you have time, school me on my DNG questions. I'm having some DNG challenges with my Sicily shots. Weird behavior.Is there any difference if I am sending an editor my original files with xmps or if I convert to dng first and bake it in? Any disadvantages to making into dngs?