Exporting from LR2.6 to jpeg

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Hi guys, I am new to lightroom, and just bought my Canon 5D mk 2 camera. I shoot in RAW and the files are about 21 mp, however, when i edit the RAW files, and then export (quality in the option i slide to 1''), the files were around 8mp in size. Did I do something wrong? How can I bring up the quality?

I know it will not be at 21mp in jpeg format, but it shouldnt be 8mp either?

Please help!
 
Hello,

It sounds reasonable to me. I have the same camera. Opened two files (converted to DNG from cr2) into AdobeCameraRAW (the RAWconverter that comes with Photoshop and works exactly like the one in LR).
Then I saved them as JPGs highest quality (12).
• One 23,6MB on disk opens as a 6',2MB file in Photoshop and saves as a 1',2MB JPG-file on disk
• Second 21,9MB on disk opens as a 6',2MB file in Photoshop and saves as a 6,4MB JPG-file on disk

The difference comes from how the JPG is calculated. The first file is a "busy" file with lots of details (tree, people, fence etc) and the second file is almost graphical (a bridge from below against a white wintersky)

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Welcome to the forum!

It appears you maybe confusing MP (Mega Pixels- the number of pixels in the image) with MB (mega-bytes-the amount of disk storage the file takes.)

A Canon 5D MKII takes a 21 mega pixel file that is usually between 25-3' megabytes in size. When you save a RAW file as a JPEG at the same number of pixels, it is usually much smaller. Depending upon the image you can expect the jpg to be 1/2 to 1/3 the size of the original raw in MB even though MP hasn't changed.

If you have the quality setting on your JPG at 1'' and are not resizing the image it will be the highest quality JPEG reproduction of your RAW file. You can getter better quality with a TIFF but your file size will increase dramatically.
 
oh yes, indeed i was confused with the mp and mb. sorry.

does that mean that if i edit my raw file, and the file turns out to be just 8mb after exporting to jpeg, it should be ok? just that alot of people do have 13-17 mb size files after they had done their editing and i am beginning to wonder if i missed a step somewhere. :)

and what is the normal ppi i should choose (when i export) to have the highest quality from my camera?
 
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oh yes, indeed i was confused with the mp and mb. sorry.

does that mean that if i edit my raw file, and the file turns out to be just 8mb after exporting to jpeg, it should be ok? just that alot of people do have 13-17 mb size files after they had done their editing and i am beginning to wonder if i missed a step somewhere. :)

and what is the normal ppi i should choose (when i export) to have the highest quality from my camera?
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File size tells you nothing about the quality of the edited image. A file that begins at 21 megaPixels can wind up edited and saved as JPG at many different file sizes (megabytes). So, my advice to you is to stop worrying about the MegaBytes of an edited JPG. Just don't even think about it any more, as it is meaningless.

PPI is another meaningless number for digital images. A 3'''x2''' image at 3''ppi is the exact same image as a 3'''x2''' image at 72ppi. You can safely ignore ppi, don't worry about it, don't think about it. The only time ppi becomes a useful number is if you are going to print an image ... in which case, you need to have enough pixels to print at a certain ppi for the size you have (and the ppi you need depends on your printer, most want 24'ppi or 3''ppi).
 
Alcatraz, the key thing about JPG files is that they are scientifically designed to conserve space by compression. In JPGs, compression is accomplished basically in two ways.
1) a lossless type of compression, common to many types of files, where multiple repetitive elements are replaced by much smaller 'placeholder' tokens. So a whole region of identical blue sky, could be replaced by a much smaller array of pixels of tiny code elements. This is how your typical 'zip' sort of compression program works.
2) a lossy type of compression, where information is actually discarded. The JPG standard was developed over a number of years, with research into the psychology and physiology of vision, among other things, and the information discarded, is by design, intended to be unnoticeable to the human eye. Of course, this is all arguable, but that's the intent.

The compression vs. quality curve is not determinate, and can be implementation dependent. There is no formal definition of exactly how the software is to be written, so different products have differing results.

For most purposes, it's trial and error. Fiddle around until you find settings that meet your size and quality needs.
Always remember, despite 1) the lossless component above, there is always some loss of information in a JPG save, so always protect your original, and never work from a JPG saved from a JPG, (perhaps saved from a JPG....) if you can help it.

Additionally you can specify the pixel dimensions of your save. It's not necessary to post a 25 megapixel image on a web site. Even on a high-end HDTV, that's a tremendous overkill of information. Consider the needs of your output medium.
 
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