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Exporting Collections and Collection sets to a new LR catalog

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patrick_5

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Lightroom Classic 10.1.1
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I've got a massive Lightroom catalog (I use only one for all images), however, there is a corruption in the keyword database where an errant word (*brid) is added to ALL images when selecting "Will Export". I have checked everywhere in the keyword structure and this errant word is not a synonym nor a containing keyword that I can find anywhere. (I think it showed up when importing some work by other photographers that might have used programs other than LR to keyword their images-not sure on this though)

Unless there is a better fix for this, the only way around it is to create a new LRcat., import all the images (which does not bring in the errant keyword because that appears to happen only when exporting).

The BIG PROBLEM with this solution is that I lose all my Collections and Collection sets when creating a brand new LRcat. Since actual images, keywords, edits, etc., are embedded in the files, it easy to create a new catalog and keep that information intact.

But, I have found no way of importing a Collection or Collection Set, that does not also require:
1) individually exporting each collection set, (I have hundreds of them), and
2) when I import/from another catalog, it brings along the corrupted keywords.

If you are tracking with me on this--and have any workaround/suggestions, I'm all ears. One painful option is to give each collection set a unique keyword, save metadata to files, then when creating the new LRcat. it will import those new keywords that I can use to rebuild the collections. But that is a huge pain.

I have used collections for years in LR and they are a very important feature that I wish had some easier way of exporting. Am I missing something?

Thanks
 
Where and in which program do you see this "*brid"? I am especially interested in the asterisk as it sounds like how LR can show keywords in the Keywording panel. Have you checked that it's not in any metadata preset? Are you exporting with some plugin?

I'd suggest resolving the underlying problem, so take one image with the and examine it from different angles independent of LR. For example, do you have PhotoMechanic or some other app that can read metadata? Ever used Exiftool?

You do have File > Export as Catalog. This preserves the collection structure.
 
@johnbeardy:
For clarification, I'm using Lightroom Classic 10.1.1, and, the errant keyword is Bird, no asterisk (I had added that for accent). In the LR keywording panel, the keyword Bird does not show up when the drop-down selection is set to "Keywords & Containing Keywords" nor "Enter Keywords." It only appears when the drop-down selection is set to "Will Export." When an image is exported from lightroom, it does not actually add the keyword Bird to the exported image, (I confirmed this by viewing an exported image in photoshop). I created a brand new LR catalog by importing all of my images directly from their sources and the keyword structure is rebuilt fine-without Bird, but as I said, then I lose hundreds of my collection sets.

Per your comment: "You do have File > Export as Catalog. This preserves the collection structure"
Yes, but it keeps the keyword Bird when I do this.

This is really more of a problem with a corrupted keyword hierarchy of some sort within Lightroom itself. When I go to the LR menu "Metadata/export keywords" to a .txt file, and review the .txt file, I don't see the keyword Bird in any of the hierarchical structure in a way that it would add it to subordinates. It makes it hard to search for birds in my lightroom database of a few hundred thousand images when every image has the keyword!
 
Thanks, those are good details. While I've not got a bright idea, maybe someone else will spot something.

"It only appears when the drop-down selection is set to "Will Export.""

That seems important, as if we're dealing with a synonym (which would survive Export as Catalog). But it never gets into the exported file, which seems odd. I am still surprised it's not obvious in the text file. Have you tried opening the file in a text editor and using its search feature?

I am not sure corruption is involved, but have you tried running a File > Optimize Catalog? Another potential cure-all might be to reset LR's preferences which sometimes fixes weird problems like this.
 
I agree, it is acting as a synonym in that it is present only in the will export option, but odd that it is not actually exporting to the images. I have checked the exported keyword .txt file and it is not there. I optimized the catalog, and reset the preferences, but neither of those fixed it. Thanks for your suggestions. This one is stubborn.
 
I might be able to write a plugin script that removes the errant keyword (I've done something similar a couple times before). As a first step, download, unzip, and install this plugin:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jxljket1zpymase/showmetadata.1.4.zip?dl=0
Select one of the photos with the keyword and do File > Plug-in Extras > Show Catalog Metadata > Show. Copy and paste here the entire contents of the window.
 
This problem is caused by the 2 fields "lc_name" and "name" of the first record of the table AgLibraryKeyword being set to a value instead of null. This value is what you see as ghost keyword. This first record is somehow the root of the keywords hierarchy and is not supposed to be visible. Unfortunately, if its 2 fields are set to a value, LR doesn't ignore it and shows them.
A fix is to set these fields to null. But this implies to use a sqlite tool and to know how to use it.
 
I might be able to write a plugin script that removes the errant keyword (I've done something similar a couple times before). As a first step, download, unzip, and install this plugin:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jxljket1zpymase/showmetadata.1.4.zip?dl=0
Select one of the photos with the keyword and do File > Plug-in Extras > Show Catalog Metadata > Show. Copy and paste here the entire contents of the window.
John,
Here is the info: Notice the keyword Bird in the keywordTagsForExport. That is the trouble maker.
/Users/patrickendres/Pictures/STOCK IMAGES/APG IMAGES/ALASKA FILM/200216-35.tif

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artist = "Patrick J Endres",
caption = "Kayaker paddles around a floating iceberg in Nellie Juan Lagoon in Prince William Sound, Alaska.",
city = "",
copyright = "© Patrick J Endres / www.AlaskaPhotoGraphics.com",
copyrightInfoUrl = "www.AlaskaPhotoGraphics.com",
copyrightState = "Copyrighted",
country = "United States",
creator = "Patrick J Endres",
creatorAddress = "2923 Moose Mountain Road",
creatorCity = "Fairbanks",
creatorCountry = "USA",
creatorEmail = "[email protected]",
creatorJobTitle = "",
creatorPhone = "",
creatorPostalCode = "99709",
creatorStateProvince = "Alaska",
creatorUrl = "www.alaskaphotographics.com",
croppedDimensions = "3675 x 2428",
dateCreated = "",
descriptionWriter = "",
dimensions = "3688 x 2428",
fileName = "200216-35.tif",
fileSize = "25.66 MB",
fileType = "TIFF",
folderName = "ALASKA FILM",
headline = "Kayaker views blue iceberg",
instructions = "",
intellectualGenre = "",
iptcCategory = "Kayaking",
iptcOtherCategories = "Kayaking",
iptcSubjectCode = "",
isoCountryCode = "USA",
jobIdentifier = "",
keywordTags = "2000, adventure, blue, dean rand, film, horizontal, ice < weather < @WEATHER, iceberg, kayak, kayaker, marine, maritime, mr-drand, paddle, paddling, prince william sound, psgfavs, red, sea kayak, southcentral, water, watersport",
keywordTagsForExport = "2000, Bird, adventure, alaska, blue, boat, dean rand, film, horizontal, human, ice, ice berg, iceberg, kayak, kayaker, male, man, marine, maritime, mr-drand, north america, paddle, paddling, people, person, prince william sound, psgfavs, pws, red, sea kayak, seakayak, southcentral, united states, water, watersport, weather",
label = "Red",
location = "",
metadataDate = "2/24/20 8:54:31 AM",
plusVersion = "1.2.0",
preservedFileName = "200216-35.tif",
provider = "© Patrick J Endres / www.AlaskaPhotoGraphics.com",
rightsUsageTerms = "Use of this image must be in accord with the image license agreement.",
scene = "",
software = "IrfanView",
source = "digital",
stateProvince = "Alaska",
title = "200216-35"}

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metadataDate = "2020-02-24T08:54:31-09:00",
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[2] = "film < PRIMARY JPEG UPLOADS 3/12 (4246219)",
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The output from Show Catalog Metadata is consistent with Philippe's informed hypothesis about an inconsistency in the catalog database tables representing keywords. There is no keyword "Bird" explicitly assigned to the photo, and the ancestor keywords returned by the LR plugin SDK don't include "Bird". (Technically, this indicates the LR SDK is using AgLibraryKeyword.parent == null as the test for the root record, while Will Export is using AgLibraryKeyword.name == null as the test.)

If you're familiar with SQL databases, you could use the command-line tool "sqlite3" (installed with Mac OS) or a GUI like "DB Browser for SQLite" on your catalog's .lrcat file to set the fields indicated by Philippe to null. (Be sure to make a backup copy first!) Alternatively, upload a copy of your .lrcat to Dropbox or similar and either post the sharing link here or send it to me via a private message, and I'll make the change. (Zip the .lrcat file before uploading to save on our bandwidth.)

 
The output from Show Catalog Metadata is consistent with Philippe's informed hypothesis about an inconsistency in the catalog database tables representing keywords. There is no keyword "Bird" explicitly assigned to the photo, and the ancestor keywords returned by the LR plugin SDK don't include "Bird". (Technically, this indicates the LR SDK is using AgLibraryKeyword.parent == null as the test for the root record, while Will Export is using AgLibraryKeyword.name == null as the test.)

If you're familiar with SQL databases, you could use the command-line tool "sqlite3" (installed with Mac OS) or a GUI like "DB Browser for SQLite" on your catalog's .lrcat file to set the fields indicated by Philippe to null. (Be sure to make a backup copy first!) Alternatively, upload a copy of your .lrcat to Dropbox or similar and either post the sharing link here or send it to me via a private message, and I'll make the change. (Zip the .lrcat file before uploading to save on our bandwidth.)

The LRcat is about 2.5gb zipped! Is that too large of a file to handle? I could try to upload it and send you a link, if you can handle the return. Or, if the SQlite (which I'm not familiar with) is not too complicated, perhaps I could find a little tutorial on how to do this one command?
 
I think it would be best to send me a link to the uploaded zipped .lrcat file, in case the issue is something other than the one Philippe described. (Make sure you're just zipping and uploading the .lrcat file inside the catalog folder, not the entire catalog folder, which also includes previews and other data.)
 
Also, you probably have done so already, but make sure you backup your current catalog before replacing it with the modified version!
 
Also, you probably have done so already, but make sure you backup your current catalog before replacing it with the modified version!
A very HUGE thank you, that one was way over my head but you really helped preserve a ton of work in my LR database. Very much appreciated.
 
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