Export vs Edit in with Photoshop droplet

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I figured out how to create a Photoshop action, make it a droplet (which creates an exe), and reference it via Lightroom. Now I can Export in Lightroom, run a "noiseninja.exe" droplet (needed to make it "run as administrator" in Vista to avoid crashing), and have a .psd auto-imported into Lightroom's catalog. Works pretty well (and fast).

I end up with two versions of the same image - one the original .dng, the other a .psd. Which I understand the reasoning for.

Here is what I don't understand:

When I use Export, the .psd is named the same as the .dng file (CRW_2593.dng is imported as CRW_2593.psd for example). If I then go ahead and "Delete from Disk" the CRW_2593.psd file, both the .psd AND.dng files get deleted! These files are not stacked, one only was selected, etc. This doesn't seem right (as I lose the .dng file by deleting the newly generated .psd).

Here's something a bit interesting. If I go ahead and "Edit in" the .dng file (after restoring it from a backup), and use the same droplet (set up via Preferences/External Editing), I will also get a .psd automatically added to the Lightroom catalog, though it's name is a little different (CRW_2495-Edit.psd in this example). I'm presented with a dialog box before conversion which forces me to "Edit a Copy with Lightroom Adjustments". If I go ahead and "Delete from Disk" the CRW_2493-Edit.psd, the original .dng stays! I assume that the "Edit a Copy..." above makes it this way.

Is there a way to make the "Export" function behave the same (with regards to the "Delete from Disk" feature) as the "Edit in" function? I've been through the screens for Droplet and Export a dozen times and don't see any setting that refers to the .dng and .psd being linked.

Thanks,

-Craig
 
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Hang on, are we talking PNG or DNG?
 
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Crap. I spent too much time in Lightroom/Photoshop last night and I was delirious.

Replace all "png" with "psd".

Update: I edited the original message...

-Craig
 
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Hmmmm, interesting one. If 'automatically stack with original' isn't accidentally selected in the export dialog, then I'd say that sounds like a bug, in which case, here's the bug report form: Official Feature Request/Bug Report Form
 
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Thanks for the response. Stacking with original isn't checked. In the grid library view, I also don't see "1 of 2" and "2 of 2"...

I'll file the bug report and see what happens.

-Craig
 
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Might be worth posting your system specs too. I'll try and replicate it later, and see if I can come up with the same problem.
 
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I built the PC myself:

Intel Quadcore Q66'' (overclocked to 3.2Ghz)
8GB RAM
C drive - 4''GBx2, raid '
D drive - 75'GB
E drive - 4''GBx2, raid '
Lintested and prime95 tested/stable
Vista x64 Ultimate, SP1

Photoshop CS3 1'.'.1
Lightroom 2
Noise Ninja 2.2.' PS Plugin

In Photoshop CS3:
I created a simple action. Run Noise Ninja with default profile, then Save the image. I created a custom preset called "tmp", and saved the action, named "noise ninja2"

I created a droplet, saved it in c:\users\craig\appdata\roaming\adobe\lightroom\export actions\noiseninja.exe

I then change the properties of noiseninja to "Run as Administrator" to avoid a Photoshop APPCRASH (Vista related).

Play Set: tmp
Action: noise ninja2
all 4 checkboxes in "play" unchecked
Destination: None


In Lightroom 2:
Edit/Preferences
External Editing
Aditional External Editor
Application: c:\users\craig\appdata\roaming\adobe\lightroom\export actions\noiseninja.exe
File Format: PSD
Color Space: ProPhoto RGB
Bit Depth: 16
Resolution: 3''
Save external editor as "NoiseNinja"
(This is used for "Edit In")


File/Export
Created a "User Preset" called "Noise Ninja"
Export to: Same folder as original Photo
Uncheck Put in Subfolder
Check "Add to this catalog"
Uncheck "Stack with Original"
Existing files: Ask what to do
File Naming Template: Filename
File Settings
Format: PSD
Color Space: ProPhoto RGB
Bit Depth: 16 bits
Image Resizing
Unchecked Resize to fit
Resolution: 3''
Metadata:
Unchecked all 3 options
Post-Processing:
After Export: noiseninja
(This is used for Export)


If I select a .dng, and select "Export/Noise Ninja", I get CRW_2593.psd. If I go to "Delete from Disk" the .psd, the .dng also gets deleted (it stays in the catalog, but gets a "?" next to it. The physical file is gone".

If I select a .dng, and select "Edit In/NoiseNinja", I get CRW_2593-Edit.psd. If I go to "Delete from Disk" the .psd, the .dng does NOT get deleted (proper behavior).

Let me know if I wasn't clear enough, and thanks for trying to repro.

-Craig
 
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One way to get similar behaviour as Edit in Photoshop is to make the additional editor application your droplet.

You can set this up in Edit->Preferences->External Editing

The downside is that you can only set-up one droplet, whereas you can chose different droplets/applications with the export dialog.

EDIT: Doh! Just read through your specs on the post above and see that you are already doing this. I had assumed you were just doing Edit in Photoshop.
 
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mjmw, if nobody's said so yet, Welcome to LR Forums.

In the meantime, you can set up more than one 'Addtional External Editor' by taking advantage of the presets capability in that dialog. You can add Editor A, save a preset, add Editor B, and save a new preset. All of the option then appear in the 'Edit in...' drop down. To be honest, I haven't tried that with multiple droplets, though.
 
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Thanks for the response. But I figured out how to use both External Editor and droplets. The problem is the behavior when using "Delete from disk" on the new image behaves differently for each.

-Craig
 
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OK, I have just found time to play with this...it only seems to happen with DNG. If you export the original raw file to PSD, opening in CS3 then deleting the PSD leaves the original file.

However, doing the same with a DNG leads to the DNG being deleted as well - you can still see the thumbnail but there is a question mark, as you saw Craig.

This only seems to happen if the export is to the folder containing the DNG.
 
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This is getting more and more interesting. Thanks for confirming with the repro!

I'll file a bug with Adobe and see what they say. Whatever I hear back I'll update here.

-Craig
 
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ctaranto;26'92 said:
FYI. This appears to be fixed in LR 2.1.

-Craig
Click to expand...

Thanks for the update Craig.
 
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