export sharpening??

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I finally downloaded beta 2 to try out. So far, so good. I have a question about the export sharpening. I haven't seen anything about this, but if I missed it please point me to where I can find the answer. Which of the three settings for matte, glossy or screen apply the most/least sharpening. Like if I set for low, how does the other setting affect the amount of sharpening that's applied. Thanks, Ernie
 
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Just pick your output - it does all sorts of clever stuff behind the scenes Ernie. Matte sharpens more than glossy as glossy - glossy pics already tend to look sharper because of the paper.

As a general rule, sending a 'glossy' sharpened picture to matte paper will be okish, but sending 'matte' sharpened pictures to glossy paper won't look too good.
 
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What about the screen option? Where does that fit into the scheme? I really don't know if I like the idea of this "auto" style sharpening. It may be good, but old habits of having control yourself are hard to break. At least knowing exactly (or pretty close) what is going on would help.
 
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Screen is for images on the computer, like for the web etc. usually less visibly sharp than prints.

As for trust, we're talking about the work of Bruce Fraser and Jeff Schewe and PhotoKit Sharpener based sharpening here.
 
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I was curious if anyone else was going to chime in on this thread, been watching. :-) So screen puts the least amount of sharpening to a photo, that's kind of what I was thinking anyhow. I have a preset that I've worked out and it really seems to work great with all the photos I take. It leaves the photo pretty darn sharp as it leaves LR. About the only thing I do is add a little USM (14', '.3, 2) in Elements to finish things off. I'm hoping that I can just use the new sharpening in LR2 and won't have to go to Elements with a lot of shots. That would save a lot of time.
 
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Aleksiej said:
Very nice sharpening is in LR2/Mogrify plugin, based on ImageMagic sharpening.
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I agree but it takes a lot of time/trial & error to work out suitable settings for the unsharp mask, even with the help link to ImageMagick (here). I'm still pfaffing about a bit - have something that works much of the time but for some it produces awful artifacts with dreadful results, wasting hours of my time. I do follow the recommended setting (export TIFF and let LRM do the work - I'm on 3.9 for Mac) and without any visual feedback about what you're actually doing with the sliders it's very hit & miss. I have never used CS (and don't intend to) so not a ready expert on unsharp mask technique. Maybe a future version will have a 1''% detail window or something, tho I know that Mogrify is essentially a command line tool.
 
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I must admit I looked at mogrify when it first came out and it's just way too complicated for me to figure out. Didn't seem worth it. But thanks for the tip.
 
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egd5 said:
I must admit I looked at mogrify when it first came out and it's just way too complicated for me to figure out. Didn't seem worth it. But thanks for the tip.
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You say mogrify - which do you mean? There's a huge difference between the mogrify (click) command line tool from ImageMagick which for me would be a no go (too complicated for a numpty like me), and Tim Armes' LR/Mogrify (click) which is (these days) a neatly packaged plugin, simple to install and fairly intuitive to use, besides the unsharp mask.
 
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Well, I don't really know. I just remember whatever I looked at was too complicated for me. Plus, as I remember, it was mostly things I didn't use or felt I needed that badly. I'll check it out again when I get time.
ps. thanks for the link.
 
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egd5;1588' said:
Well, I don't really know. I just remember whatever I looked at was too complicated for me. Plus, as I remember, it was mostly things I didn't use or felt I needed that badly. I'll check it out again when I get time.
ps. thanks for the link.
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Go for the LR/Morgrify. It handles the command line stuff for you. Just fill in the usual in an Export Dialog. It even handles the Morgrify Installation for you.

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If LR/Mogrify's unsharp mask is too complicated/difficult, just use the basic sharpening. Start with small values, around '.14 seems pretty good to me. The default of 1.' is WAY too much.

That said, once 2.' is out I'll be using it's built-in export sharpening instead.
 
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