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Evolution from LR4.1 to Classic on New Computer

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This will be old stuff for most of you, and I have re-read Victoria's old member messages about the "End of Perpetual Licenses" disaster. I'm currently running LR 4.4.1 on a Windows 7 machine that is soon to be retired. I have a new Windows 10 machine and would like to have a standalone version of LR to run on that, but I guess that's not in the cards. I can't find LR6 for purchase anywhere, even Ebay! I also can't find any install disk for LR4, only for my original LR2, so perhaps I did an upgrade online long ago -- records are scarce from back then -- but neither can I find an old Adobe account to try to check that, even assuming that Adobe would honor my old upgrade, so...

I'm coming around to what seems to be everyone's recommendation to try the current LR Classic $9.99/mo subscription. There appears to be little in the way of pre-purchase detail available from Adobe, but here are some questions that perhaps somebody here can answer before I take the plunge:

1) There's a free trial available, which I suppose offers the full capabilities of Classic on PC for a limited time before I pay or it goes "belly up." Would I simply Windows-copy my existing library of photos, thumbnails, and catalog from LR4.1's Libraries\Pictures\Lightroom folder on the old machine to wherever Classic wants them on the new machine and then somehow import the old catalog into Classic?

2) Victoria's old messages said that, at that time at least, if I dropped my potential subscription to Classic after the first, still compulsary(?) year, LR Classic would fall back to a "limited" mode in which all "critical" functions [library, print, import(?!), export, "quick" develop, etc(?)] would continue to function but the newer and trickier functions would cease to operate. Is any of this still true?

3) Assuming that the critical import function continues to work in "limited" mode, it appears this might be similar to what I have now in LR4.4.1. If so, I could probably survive if I got tired of shelling out monthly rental. Do you know, or is there any way to confirm this?

As you can see, I still love Lightroom (though not Adobe) after all these years, especially for its capability to catalog and point to "offline" photos, for example, on ejected DVDs or disconnected HDs. (This last was its unique feature that sold me on LR2; I hope it still functions in Classic! Do you know?) I doubt, however, that I'll be willing to pay "rent" indefinitely -- I'm not, after all, a professional photographer -- so any guidance on these points would be most appreciated. Best Regards to All. -- JCW2
 
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1). You would install LR Classic and then use it to open your existing catalogue. LR would create a new, upgraded copy of the catalogue, probably in the same directory. You'd be ready to go.

2). Yep, everything would work except for the Map module and the Develop module. You'd even be able to install new releases.

3). See the answer to point 2.

Lightroom Classic works just like LR 2 or 4 or 6, but has more features and generally does a better job.
 
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of course no more Lightroom software updates.
Actually, I'm still getting all the updates, even though I'm not subscribing. I'm getting the PS updates, too, though I can't run the program.
 

Zenon

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The subscription version comes with a personalized website that is integrated with LR.
 
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Actually, I'm still getting all the updates, even though I'm not subscribing. I'm getting the PS updates, too, though I can't run the program.
Hal -- You sound pretty happy with your situation. I think you confirmed (implicitly) that "import" still works and that LR Classic can still keep "offline" files in its catalog and point to them. Correct?

Oh, and I forgot to mention, did you purchase the first year before stopping your subscription, or did you just stay with the trial version? If the former, is the first year still a compulsory purchase, or can you just purchase the first month or few? -- JCW2
 
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I subscribed for a couple of years and cancelled my subscription when my interest in photography waned. I'll probably resubscribe later. I don't know if you could use the trial version and then continue to use a crippled version after the trial expires, but it seems probable.

Yes, everything still works except for the Develop and Map modules and being able to synch to Lightroom Cloudy.
 
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I subscribed for a couple of years and cancelled my subscription when my interest in photography waned. I'll probably resubscribe later. I don't know if you could use the trial version and then continue to use a crippled version after the trial expires, but it seems probable...
Hal (or anyone) -- In the process of setting up an online purchase today, I started a chat session to try and find out "from the horse's mouth" their rental and expiration terms. The process was like pulling hens' teeth, but I did get a clear answer on both points:

1) Rental: Whether you "purchase" with monthly payments or prepaid, the "contract" is for one year and automatically renews. If prepaid and you cancel during the year, you will be refunded 50% of the rental for the remainder of the year. (The guy didn't say what happens if you try to stop monthly payments in the middle of the year.)

2) Expiration: The answer I got was quite different from what you good people are telling me. When asked if the software reverted to some crippled mode if you cancel your subscription, the guy told me, "You will not be able to use the app after cancellation" and "You can use the app as long as you are paying the subscription fee. In case if you pay for an year in advance and you cancel before the contract renewal, the app will stay active until the end of the contract." I'm not sure this guy actually knew what he was talking about; and I admit that this question is more complex than I tried to articulate in chat, since the "contract" includes not only Lightroom Classic for desktop but also mobile, and in addition Photoshop for desktop and "iPad," plus some cloud storage. In any case I've deferred any purchase until I can resolve this issue.

Hal -- I'm wondering if they might have changed their policy since you subscribed. How recently did you cancel your subscription?

Has anybody else had experience with cancelling a subscription?

Best Regards to All -- jclarkw
 
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I'm not sure this guy actually knew what he was talking about
He didn't. That is often the case when dealing with Adobe customer support.

It works like I said. They have to do it this way, or they'd have crowds of people with torches and pitchforks storming their walls. Think about it. You spend years editing your images and keywording them,, and then you cancel and you lose all that work? I think not. Nobody would use their product if that were the case.
 
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I'm not sure this guy actually knew what he was talking about
Uh huh!! Maybe he was just confused, all of the other apps do just stop working, it's just Lightroom that has the exceptions.
 
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