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I had a strange event today.
I am running 2.3 (final), on Vista, 4G memory, fast raid disks.
I occasionally get errors in lightroom. I spent about 7 hours on it today, and got two persistent out-of-memory error (red letters in image pane). Each time I exited lightroom, restarted, went back to work. No big deal.
The second time when I came back up I had a very strange problem. First time ever.
First let me say that my understanding, and experience, is that when LR dies, it has committed whatever the last function was to the database and you lose only what you were immediately doing, plus some context (I think it only takes you back to the shot you were on and context you were in during the last normal shutdown).
This time... not so much. This time when LR came back up instead of the roughly 6' shots I should have had in that folder, I was up around 3''. It had forgotten that I had deleted hundreds of shots (via reject then delete-rejected-photos). Note that before the first crash I went from about 49' shots to around 3''. The second time from about 3'' to 6'.
Of course they were really gone -- the thumbnails and frames were empty (emphasis on thumbnails were gone also). The disk files deleted (correctly). It gave the error about "cannot locate". It was exactly the right set of shots, i.e. all the empty slots were ones I deleted, but the catalog thought I had not deleted them even though gone from disk.
Then I manually deleted each of these empty thumbnails by selecting them and deleting them from lightroom, thinking "strange" and moving on. But...
I noticed a LOT of edits missing, crops, adjustments. Hmmm.... then I notice one of the ones I just touched saying it had a metadata conflict (I keep XMP files on disk also). So, with a bit of fear, I do a synchronize...
It finds no missing shots (i.e. images not in catalog), so I leave the metadata checked and continue. And slowly all the thumbnails start popping back to having my edits in them.
Apparently the catalog had lost hours of both picture deletes, AND edits.
After the import, all the remaining shots looked OK, just the history was gone. Darn good thing I kept the XMP files on disk as well, saved me a LOT of recovery.
I did a check integrity on the catalog (no errors). And have edited a few hours since. I am slightly annoyed by the lightroom occasional crashes, but until today I had never had it lose anything but the last edit.
Anyone else ever see this?
It's remotely similar to the "undo" problem I had back in 2.mumble, a while ago, where a whole session was undone unstead of the last operation. But I did NOT hit Control-Z.
I think somehow it rolled back everything updated in the catalog since the beginning of the session. Possible? Anything I did? Or could do to prevent? Or could have done to fix?
Thank goodness for XMP files!
I am running 2.3 (final), on Vista, 4G memory, fast raid disks.
I occasionally get errors in lightroom. I spent about 7 hours on it today, and got two persistent out-of-memory error (red letters in image pane). Each time I exited lightroom, restarted, went back to work. No big deal.
The second time when I came back up I had a very strange problem. First time ever.
First let me say that my understanding, and experience, is that when LR dies, it has committed whatever the last function was to the database and you lose only what you were immediately doing, plus some context (I think it only takes you back to the shot you were on and context you were in during the last normal shutdown).
This time... not so much. This time when LR came back up instead of the roughly 6' shots I should have had in that folder, I was up around 3''. It had forgotten that I had deleted hundreds of shots (via reject then delete-rejected-photos). Note that before the first crash I went from about 49' shots to around 3''. The second time from about 3'' to 6'.
Of course they were really gone -- the thumbnails and frames were empty (emphasis on thumbnails were gone also). The disk files deleted (correctly). It gave the error about "cannot locate". It was exactly the right set of shots, i.e. all the empty slots were ones I deleted, but the catalog thought I had not deleted them even though gone from disk.
Then I manually deleted each of these empty thumbnails by selecting them and deleting them from lightroom, thinking "strange" and moving on. But...
I noticed a LOT of edits missing, crops, adjustments. Hmmm.... then I notice one of the ones I just touched saying it had a metadata conflict (I keep XMP files on disk also). So, with a bit of fear, I do a synchronize...
It finds no missing shots (i.e. images not in catalog), so I leave the metadata checked and continue. And slowly all the thumbnails start popping back to having my edits in them.
Apparently the catalog had lost hours of both picture deletes, AND edits.
After the import, all the remaining shots looked OK, just the history was gone. Darn good thing I kept the XMP files on disk as well, saved me a LOT of recovery.
I did a check integrity on the catalog (no errors). And have edited a few hours since. I am slightly annoyed by the lightroom occasional crashes, but until today I had never had it lose anything but the last edit.
Anyone else ever see this?
It's remotely similar to the "undo" problem I had back in 2.mumble, a while ago, where a whole session was undone unstead of the last operation. But I did NOT hit Control-Z.
I think somehow it rolled back everything updated in the catalog since the beginning of the session. Possible? Anything I did? Or could do to prevent? Or could have done to fix?
Thank goodness for XMP files!
Although forum guru Mark Sirota, another IT guy, considers it a workflow complication and performance waster, and relies on his impeccable backup hygiene. (I'm sure he can speak for himself, but he hasn't posted for a couple of days, so he might be vacationing 
or something.)
