Enhancement request: Add understanding of UTC

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Please add an understanding of UTC (GMT if you prefer) to Lightroom. I'd guess most photographers who travel set their camera's clock to the (basically) unchanging UTC and leave it there. I set it there and I rarely travel (saves me trouble twice a year).

It would be very nice if Lightroom understood this and would allow *temporary* changes to the time displayed (and let the user work with that time). I fully intend to *always* have the time always be UTC in my originals. It would be nice to be able to export either way.

I believe Aperture (oops, did I just violate the forum rules?) has that feature, though I'm not sure how clever Apple was at implementing it.

The first person to suggest Edit Capture Time as a work-around is kindly invited to eat my Nikon (and then I can go get the latest model to replace it). :-)
 
Well you've been busy since you've joined us. Welcome to the forum.

As you'll note on the other threads, whilst you're very welcome to post these requests here for discussion with other members, it's also worth putting in an Official Feature Request/Bug Report Form. That ensures that your requests get through to the right people.

Mentioning Aperture certainly isn't against the rules - Adobe themselves look at Aperture, and vice versa too, I'm sure! Aperture does have many features that aren't yet available in LR, and the reverse is also true.
 
Thank you Sean! Yes, that's probably worth making absolutely clear! :roll:
 
However the Lightroom team won't copy a feature from any program, due to the rather litigious nature of intellectual property.
Do you speak from authority or did you forget to include "IMHO"?

Do you have knowledge that this is so-called intellectual property? I did a non-exhaustive patent search and didn't find anything even close.

Do you have a basis for your statement? Such a statement needs backing up with facts if it is going to be made.

A company like Adobe, making a product for professional and advanced amature photographers, should know that many/most of the cameras used by their prospective customers are set to UTC.

I refer readers to the interesting thread at http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3c'59'ff

Also, some cameras have the ability to use GPS data, how does LR handle that vis a vis time? Something needs to be done.
 
You've obviously not around here for long, if you're asking that question. On the subject of feature requests based on currently existing features from other programs, we've been told repeatedly it's a no no. Jeff Schewe has posted this many times, in many forums.
 
I also think that you are incorrect in assuming that everyone uses UTC for their time setting. Feel free to do a post with a poll though.

Lightroom reads GPS data from files that supply it, either from camera, or through 3rd party software. It simple records position.
 
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Excarnate, please check your PM's
 
Excarnate, please check your PM's

What does PM's stand for?

And I fully agree witht OP about LR supporting UTC. Keeping th vamera at that time prevents ME from mistakes. Ik used to travel (for pleasure), not much anymore. (Combodja in nov, that's all for this year).

How do you USA-citizens work: adjust avery tim you cross a time border?

It would be nice if LR could determine the local time from the GDP coordinates.

If OP doesn't fiel a request I will.

Well, I think best is to file it anyway
 
PM stands for Private Messages Willem.

You should put in a request too Willem, if it's a feature you think would be useful. The more requests they get for the same feature, the higher on the list it goes.
 
Willem,

PM = Private Message, the forum's mechanism for 'off-line' conversations between members.

This provides a convenient method for members to pursue off-topic discussions without disturbing the membership, while maintaining security of the user's personal info, principally their email address.
 
Moved to appropriate Forum.
 
What does PM's stand for?

It's her way of saying "You have a message, probably about how strongly you put your reply" :-)

I did try to figure out how to put it nicely, but he said...Ah. I could have quoted the Vincent Vega character from Pulp Fiction: "That's a bold statement."

And I fully agree witht OP about LR supporting UTC. Keeping th vamera at that time prevents ME from mistakes. Ik used to travel (for pleasure), not much anymore. (Combodja in nov, that's all for this year).

How do you USA-citizens work: adjust avery tim you cross a time border?

It would be nice if LR could determine the local time from the GDP coordinates.

Aaaand because you agreed with me I'll deal with comments in other posts here. Then I'll be nicer ;-)

US-citizens probably range from normal consumers who don't have the time set unless the camera asked them to originally to those who are aware and adjust the time when they remember to. Those who are more serious probably stumble on some method, I've had to deal with timezones for a long time, so I stumbled on it the first time we hit a daylight savings time. Those who travel a lot will stumble on a fix much sooner :-)

That said, a poll is in order! If I get time I'll put one together, but it won't be today. If someone wants to put some thought into a poll that'd be great.

Back to comments...
I didn't ask for a feature to be copied from Aperture, I was aware Aperture has some way of dealing with it. But it is very obvious that time has to be dealt with. Again, anyone who has to change their clocks twice a year will end up noticing it.

Anyone who was in the US Army is likely to be aware of "Zulu time", another way to say UTC. So the knowledge is out there of using a single time so you don't have to screw around. I wouldn't mind 1 time for the world, personally.

It seems clear the LR devs didn't deal with UTC because they had a nasty bug with time that they have only just (one hopes) put to rest (reference http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3c'59'ff again).

Without having seen how Aperture does it, I'd store the time and offset from the camera, where available. On import I'd let a user say what time was used, with UTC being the choice at the top of the list (system time being 2nd). And then store time in UTC. I'd allow displaying, at the user's option:
1) Time as originally recorded
2) Time shown as current local time keeping in mind any DST
3) Time shown as if it was taken with the clock on the camera always kept to correct local time.
4) Time based on any arbitrary time zone (e.g. UTC)
5) Other (I can't think of everything off hand, check with others)

GPS's (what I think you are talking about) have accurate time at their heart, so one can only hope that would be used and respected and pre-fill-in the choices. Then it is up to the user to show things as expected.

Example:
Say you are in Boston for the 4th of July, which is normally -'5'' but it is summertime so it is -'4'', and you snap a picture of a pretty sailing ship at 2359 UTC (7:59 PM local time) and then another 2 minutes later. Storing things in UTC the pictures are taken on different days. Having the adjustment where you can say "I took this in EST5EDT" and it showing them as both being taken on the same day would be nice. But the stored format has *got* to be immutable (well for those who care or have to care) and it has to make it easy to always get it right (meaning, if I fly from Chicago, and I'm worried about getting the picture, the last thing I need is to worry about changing the time in my camera). Make it worse: imagine it is a wedding (queue flop sweat :)

If OP doesn't fiel a request I will.

Well, I think best is to file it anyway

I filed it. No number was returned, however. I think they triage submissions, laughing at some, puzzling over others, marking MANY as dups, entering a few. Ah, Victoria says for feature requests they count submissions. Hooray! Everybody submit this one!! :-)
 
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