Differences in images exported to PS CS4 from LR 2.5

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Hi all,

Hope someone can help me with this. It's doing my head in & literally costing me money. I've got customers begging me for pics and I can't print out anything with this issue.

I'm using Win 7 with LR 2.5 & PS CS4. Images were taken with a Panasonic Lumix FZ35 in RAW.

Images exported out of LR are always brighter and more saturated once they are viewed in PS.

I've checked all my colour settings. All are set right in both LR and PS. Pro Photo RGB 16 bit. Soft proofing is off in PS so it's not that. Monitor is correctly calibrated with ColorMunki Photo.

I've updated Adobe Camera Raw to 5.5 too.

Monitor Profile isn't corrupted. Checked that too by setting it back to stock. Made no difference. Same effect still happens.

Funny thing is, if in PS, if I convert the pic to 8 bit (keep it in pro photo) and save it as a jpg the result looks exactly the same in Window's Picture viewer as the image exported from LR as a jpg. Which is different to how it looks in PS. If I then open that jpg again in PS it becomes over saturated.

Anybody know what's going on here?
 
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Thanks for the welcome :)

Yup. Been using advanced mode with the colormunki.

Also, I tried something else.
If I change the settings in both LR & PS to use Adobe RGB (1998) instead of Pro Photo RGB then I get consistent colours from exporting from LR to PS. Changing them back to Pro Photo again still causes colour changes.

At least now I can have proper control of colour if I use Adobe RGB. But since I just bought a AUD$1''' printer, I would much prefer to use Pro Photo and make sure I take full advantage of my printer's gamut.
 
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Ahah!

It's monitor specific. If I put the LR window tiled next to the PS window on a different calibrated monitor. The two images look the same. Shift the two windows over to the other monitor and the Lightroom picture loses saturation.

Still stuck & no wiser LoL

 
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Aaah, that makes more sense. To the best of my knowledge, calibrating multiple monitors on a Windows system is problematic. Generally, it requires an individual video adapter per monitor.

Dual headed cards typically provide a single lookup table (LUT) with the result that the most recently calibrated monitor is the only one actually calibrated. This result overwrites the previous calibration of the other monitor. There are supposedly 'high-end' video cards with dual LUT capability, but I've never actually seen one.

Both calibration manufacturers and video adapter manufacturers seem to gloss over these capabilities and requirements in their specifications.

I had very good luck with dual monitors, dual video adapters and Color Munki. I could clearly see a difference between the calibration parameters between the displays, with identical (to my eyes) visual results. A further test of swapping the monitors physically, as calibrated, dramatically exaggerated the difference between the displays.

There may not be a software/configuration only solution to your problem.
 
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Hmmm. Thanks. Maybe I should dig into windows a bit. Maybe it's something windows 7 is doing.

I didn't have this issue with Vista, LR 2.3 & CS3.... sooooo maybe something win 7 is doing.

Just think it's strange that only LR seems to shift moving it from monitor to monitor, but PS stays the same.

I don't think it's the card's handling of look up tables. When I calibrate the second monitor after calibrating the first, I would see a shift in colours on the first right? That doesn't happen. The two monitors clearly calibrate differently too. One's a crappy LCD and other is a CRT so they calibrate very differently. If I manually select the CRT's calibrated profile and use it for the LCD, it clearly doesn't look right. This change doesn't happen when calibrating both the monitors. They do seem to calibrate separately.

Thing is, whether I calibrate the LCD first or the CRT first, the same effect still happens. When I drag the windows over to the CRT, I get that saturation shift on the LR window.

The other weird thing is, sometimes when calibrating, ColorMunki gives me an error "Could not save source profile". But it doesn't do it all the time, and I haven't been able to reproduce the error consistently.

Well, I appreciate your help... I'll keep digging. Maybe windows 7 is doing something it shouldn't be.
 
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You may be quite correct, I'm not running 7 at all, and my current Vista setup is one big monitor. The last time I ran multiples was XP, so my advice could well be out of date. Good luck, and if you do figure something out, let us know, some of us are quite interested.
 
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Ok. After fiddling with settings, it has somehow resolved itself. God knows how or why.

The only settings I've played around with are:

- Screen resolution (tried if any difference between native / non native) - no difference.

- Deleting Colormunki profiles, deselecting "Use my settings for this device" under window's colour management and then rerunning calibration for both monitors. - no difference

- Setting the display settings to only use the CRT monitor - worked, both LR & PS display the same and calibration occurrs normally.

- Setting display settings to "Duplicate display" - LR & PS display the same too.

- Switch back to extend display and setting CRT as primary display instead of LCD (this is when it started working normally, what the hell?) - Moving LR & PS from LCD to CRT refreshes with correct profile for that monitor - kind of....

For some reason after setting the CRT as the primary LR & PS both render the same on both monitors now. The only thing is sometimes PS is a bit "sticky". Most of the time it will now refresh itself when moved from one monitor to the other, however sometimes (and randomly at that) it won't and it needs to be either moved around a bit or the window resized and then it refreshes with the correct profile for that monitor.

But now, even if I set it back again, the LCD as primary and CRT as secondary. IT STILL WORKS!! WTF?

I can no longer reproduce the mismatch that occurred before, no matter what I do or change.

So, and this is my guess. It had something to do with PS & windows. With windows thinking it was still on monitor 1 (LCD) and using that colour profile to render the window, even when actually it was on monitor 2 the CRT.

Maybe there is some variable in windows that says "Hey we're using two monitors now! Better look at that second profile!" that doesn't get set unless you go to duplicate display etc etc

*Shrug*

At least it's working now. Fingers crossed it doesn't start misbehaving again, as I have no idea how screen res, primary/secondary settings or recalibrating a million times could have resolved this. God that color munki zipper pouch gets annoying after the first few times!

I swear I have not touched any other settings. What other settings could possibly have any effect?

What a pain :'(

Fiance says to me this afternoon - Wow, honey I can see some new gray hairs.
 
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