thegios
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The new LR update brought up a discussion about PROFILES so I tought it'd be a good idea to make a dedicated post, partly cos I need tips and partly to help beginners
I am giving for granted that we are all shooting raws
I have a CANON EOS R that is naming PROFILES as PICTURE STYLES: NIKON and FUJI and SONY may use another name but the principle behind is the same.
As I said in the other post, we are all different, and I'm not trying to impose anything, just describing my preferences, workflow and point of view, to hel and get suggestions.
I disable all in-camera settings (lens profile, abrration, noise reduction ecc ecc) and I use the NEUTRAL COLOR PROFILE whch according to Canon is the most faithful rendering (although there's a debate between NEUTRAL and FAITHFUL). Fact: the picture style (or any other name for other brands) is part of the additional brand specific data that are present in a raw file, therefore they are actually used properly for rendering only by the camera body to display on LCD and by Canon DPP. Open the file is FAST RAW VIEWER and in LR, and you will get a very different rendering!!! Which is normal: FRV and LR are not reading the proprietary picture style data, so they need to render according to the way they are set up.
I am not going to talk much about FRV: I am using it only to cull images in fast way, to veify focus and general image, so I d onìt really care about the color rendering.
LR has changed many times, in years, the default profile to be used for rendering upon importing a photo. Myself, I have used over the years, depending on the camera used (300D, 40D, 7Dmk2 and now R): CAMERA SPECIFIC, ADOBE STANDARD, ADOBE COLOR and now ADOBE NEUTRAL.
Why? It took me years to relize myself and to choose my preferred one, and only when I moved to the EOS R I realized that the best way FOR ME to work is to start from the flattes image possible, or better from the flattest "rendering" possible. And this does not necessarily means that the profile used in LR must match exactly the picture style set in camera, even because the ADOBE CAMERA SPECIFIC profiles are just an approximations of the real Canon settings, deducted from a sort of reverse-engineering. The only way to see on screen the same rendering of LCD is to use canon DPP.
Adobe recently has moved to ADOBE COLOR a an all-round profile, and even Scott Kelby says this is his preferred profile, bujt since I moved to EOS R I have realized that ADOBE COLOR is too bright. I have tried with CANON NEUTRAL which is still not as flat as I would like. So I have decided from n ow on to use ADOBE NEUTRAL: every image for me is a new world, I do not do weddings or other events where you want all photos to be consistent, I edit every photo individually, sometimes it takes days...
Please share your comments, ideas, suggestion or questions.
I will post some samples to show the difference
I am giving for granted that we are all shooting raws
I have a CANON EOS R that is naming PROFILES as PICTURE STYLES: NIKON and FUJI and SONY may use another name but the principle behind is the same.
As I said in the other post, we are all different, and I'm not trying to impose anything, just describing my preferences, workflow and point of view, to hel and get suggestions.
I disable all in-camera settings (lens profile, abrration, noise reduction ecc ecc) and I use the NEUTRAL COLOR PROFILE whch according to Canon is the most faithful rendering (although there's a debate between NEUTRAL and FAITHFUL). Fact: the picture style (or any other name for other brands) is part of the additional brand specific data that are present in a raw file, therefore they are actually used properly for rendering only by the camera body to display on LCD and by Canon DPP. Open the file is FAST RAW VIEWER and in LR, and you will get a very different rendering!!! Which is normal: FRV and LR are not reading the proprietary picture style data, so they need to render according to the way they are set up.
I am not going to talk much about FRV: I am using it only to cull images in fast way, to veify focus and general image, so I d onìt really care about the color rendering.
LR has changed many times, in years, the default profile to be used for rendering upon importing a photo. Myself, I have used over the years, depending on the camera used (300D, 40D, 7Dmk2 and now R): CAMERA SPECIFIC, ADOBE STANDARD, ADOBE COLOR and now ADOBE NEUTRAL.
Why? It took me years to relize myself and to choose my preferred one, and only when I moved to the EOS R I realized that the best way FOR ME to work is to start from the flattes image possible, or better from the flattest "rendering" possible. And this does not necessarily means that the profile used in LR must match exactly the picture style set in camera, even because the ADOBE CAMERA SPECIFIC profiles are just an approximations of the real Canon settings, deducted from a sort of reverse-engineering. The only way to see on screen the same rendering of LCD is to use canon DPP.
Adobe recently has moved to ADOBE COLOR a an all-round profile, and even Scott Kelby says this is his preferred profile, bujt since I moved to EOS R I have realized that ADOBE COLOR is too bright. I have tried with CANON NEUTRAL which is still not as flat as I would like. So I have decided from n ow on to use ADOBE NEUTRAL: every image for me is a new world, I do not do weddings or other events where you want all photos to be consistent, I edit every photo individually, sometimes it takes days...
Please share your comments, ideas, suggestion or questions.
I will post some samples to show the difference
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