Color management with exported JPEGs

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The linked image was shot in RAW (Nikon D7' NEF) and imported to Lightroom 1.3.1 for some contrast and toning tweaks. The image on the right is shown as LR displays it. When I export it as a JPG, however, and open the image in Photoshop or InDesign the image (as shown on the left) is much more red. I'm using sRGB as the exported colorspace and the same as the working space in PS and ID. I've also tried exporting using AdobeRGB and ProPhoto RGB with similar results. What's going on? I'm using a MacBook Pro with OS 1'.4.11.

lrimage.jpg


I've posted this on the Adobe forums and a couple other places without any luck. I discovered this site recently after following links from a couple other blogs. Here's to hoping for good luck here.
 
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Preserve embedded profiles? Yes. If it makes a difference, Bridge displays the exported JPEGs the same as LR. PS and InDesign don't.
 
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Ok, slightly different tack - what happens if you use Edit with Photoshop? Might just help us narrow down what's going on.
 
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I get the same results (as you) when I export in the sRGB color space. I've tried it a few times as an experiment. My main colorspace is the AdobeRGB.
 
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Alright--this is whacked. :oops:

I've tried to recreate the problem with other photos from different sessions--even the same photo and others from the same session--and can't seem to make it happen.

This is what I've done:

  1. Exported NEF from LR as JPEG (sRGB, 85 quality, 3'' ppi).
  2. Opened JPEG from Bridge CS3 in InDesign CS3 for album layout. Working space in ID is sRGB and embedded profiles are preserved.
  3. Exported album pages from ID as JPEG (maximum quality, 3'' ppi).
  4. Opened JPEG album pages in PS CS3 (working space = sRGB, preserve embedded profiles) for proofing.

I can maybe tell a slight color difference between the exported album pages in PS and the original image files in LR, but that may be attributed to the AdobeRGB/ProPhoto spaces being used in LR. At any rate, I'm not seeing that awful difference that I originally posted. Below is the latest result. Original LR NEF is on the right; the exported JPEG (as processed through ID and opened in PS) is on the left:

lrimage2.jpg


I'll keep going and hope the goofiness is behind me. Thanks for the responses--very much appreciated! If anyone has additional insight, I'm open to hearing it.

Many thanks--

Michael
 
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Same here

Interesting...

I edit my cr2 raw files in LR so they look as I'd like. I then export them as a .jpg set to sRGB colour space. When I open the .jpg in PS CS3 (Profoto colour space) it looks exactly like it does in LR. When I open it in windows explorer or use it in a web page it looks oversaturated in the reds/pinks. Example attached. If I use edit in PS (the image still looks the same as in LR) and then use save to web from PS, the exact same thing happens. Too red.

I can't fathom why this is happening. It's a real pita because what I'm seeing in LR/PS is exactly how I'd like the Photo to look when exported. I have a Dell 3''7 wfp-hc calibrated with Pantone Huey pro. I recalibrated to double check. Same result. This has only started happening recently...Is there something different in v1.31 I'm not aware of? Any help appreciated?
 
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You can't rely on Windows Explorer for anything colour related, and most browsers aren't much better, so let's focus on Photoshop for now.

Fotoguy, can you just run down what your photoshop colour settings are? And your lightroom colour settings too? I'm inclined to say there's a profile mismatch when you're opening the file in Photoshop.

Check what you've got set in the blue section (ignore red, this was an old screenshot!)
color_settings-2''7'7'4-'8143'.jpg


The fact that you're still having problems with Save for Web rings a few more alarm bells. Just try going to Convert to Profile and physically converting to sRGB from whatever colour space before you save for web, and see if that makes a difference. It may at least give us a clue as to what's going on. Does the same thing happen with Save for Web with a file that originates in Photoshop?
 
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Hi Victoria

My Photoshop workspace is set to Pro Photo. I believe this is what LR uses also.
Any .jpg's that are exported from LR exhibit the reds being more saturated.

If I use edit in PS, then all .jpg's saved from Photoshop (including those using convert to profile) or exported using the PS save for web feature exhibit the saturated reds also.

The external edit settings in LR for PS, are set to Pro Photo, 16bit .psd.
My colour management policies are set to the same settings as yours.

I've noticed this has only started happening recently. Since v1.31 upgrade maybe? It has kinda thrown a spanner in the works as any jpg's output for my web gallery use do not match how the photos should look.
 
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So we're saying it's just sRGB jpegs, from either LR or PS, that end up with oversaturated reds in your browser? And if you open that sRGB jpeg in PS again, is that right? I haven't messed around with windows colour management for a fair while, but I can't help but wonder if your sRGB profile's corrupted.

Do you want to email me over a few of the pictures, and I'll see if I can figure out what's going wrong? Maybe a ProPhoto Lr export, a sRGB Lr export, and a ProPhoto exported to PS and then Saved for Web? All of the same picture? I'm intrigued. Email is victoria AT victoriabampton DOT com
 
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Hi Victoria

Thanks for your help.

If I load the files back into PS, they are fine. ie: They look like they did in LR and PS before they were saved as sRGB jpg's. They only look too red in windows/web.

If it was a small change I could live with it, but as you can see in the portrait above it makes peoples complexions look really ruddy. As I said, I've never had the problem in the past. It's only happened recently.

EDIT: Victoria, I'm beginning to think this could be to do with the Dell 3''7 HC being able to display a bigger colour space than sRGB. I looked at the files on another of our workstations with an older LCD panel and the file looks near to what I see in PS and LR on my machine.
 
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Fotoguy, I'm in way over my head here, but thinking about your monitor

A review of the Dell 3''7 HC states:

http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Dell_UltraSharp_3''7WFPHC__92_Color_Gamut_3'_Inch_LCD/?page=2

"Traditional, standard CCFL backlights have only been able to display about 72 - 76% of the NTSC color gamut (a US standard used to characterize CRT and TV performance).

The Wide CCFL backlight in the new Dell 3''7 WFP-HC, however, is able to display 92% of the NTSC color gamut. The end result is better accuracy, especially with reds and greens, in addition to a better overall contrast ratio."

But it never actually says what the gamut is.

Now, from the Wikipedia entry on rgb gamuts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB_color_space

"A wide-gamut display will have very saturated, "pure" light colors, and thus be able to display very saturated, deep colors."

Are you perhaps seeing more saturated reds because your display gamut, which is assumed to be sRGB is actually wider than that? Which seems to be the direction you're leaning in.

Don't know if this is helpful/meaningful, but discussion of your problems are helping to educate us all.

.....brad
 
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