Adobe Color Space?

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I decided to switch to Adobe color space instead of sRGB in-camera (shooting RAW, Nikon NEF). Is it just me or do the photos REALLY liven up in Lightroom when it sees you're using Adobe color space? It sure does seem that way to me but I haven't tested it. I never use Adobe color space, but SHOULD I if I plan on using Lightroom as my main program to convert the NEFs? And I assume once I export, export to the common sRGB for compatibility on the web, etc?

Pardon me if these are dumb questions. :)
 
Hey V,I'm a bit confused why you'd direct someone to purposefully use two separate color spaces.

Sean was asking about the differences that the colour space had on the histogram, and the AdobeRGB setting will give a histogram closer to the raw file's histogram he'll see in LR. Sean's rapidly getting a good understanding of the differences in colour spaces, otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it. So you're quite right, for anyone who doesn't understand it, stick to a single colour space.
 
If your not shooting RAW (which I don't recommend in the first place, since Lr treats RAW images like jpegs (from the UI perspective) and only provides more editing latitude).

You had this statement in Italics. Is it a quote that you have pulled, or are you emphasizing this point? If its the latter, then I am a bit confused by it because in an earlier post you stated,
If your shooting RAW as your supposed to (IMO). Determining color space is is a non issue since you have all the tonal information in it's raw format.
Am I misunderstanding something?

--Ken
 
Am I misunderstanding something?
Hey Ken,

I only put that in italics since I was emphasizing the point. I tried putting it in a quote, then it looked like I was quoting something that wasn't a quote.. I'm not sure what doesn't make sense, but I'll be happy to clear up anything I made confusing:

If your not shooting RAW (which I don't recommend in the first place, since Lr treats RAW images like jpegs (from the UI perspective) and only provides more editing latitude).
I'm saying that you should shoot RAW.
If your shooting RAW as your supposed to (IMO). Determining color space is is a non issue since you have all the tonal information in it's raw format.
I'm saying that you should shoot RAW.

These comments are only intended to emphasizes that you should shoot RAW so you only have to worry about color management from pp to consumption. This just removes the worry about camera settings. Since the OP wanted to know about color management from camera to consumption. I posted the rest of my comments.

Does this make sense or am I making this more confusing?
 
Hi Jon,

It was the double negative that threw me! Yes, what you have said is consistent and makes sense. Sorry for the confusion.

--Ken
 
Replytoken;85'' said:
Hi Jon,

It was the double negative that threw me! Yes, what you have said is consistent and makes sense. Sorry for the confusion.

--Ken
No worries.:cheesy: As you can see my grammar vastly outweighs my lighting and color space knowledge;)

If it wasn't for spell check, you guys would have migraines after reading my posts. Actually, I probably wouldn't be a presence in any forum if spell check didn't exist..
 
SloYerRoll;85'5 said:
No worries.:cheesy: As you can see my grammar vastly outweighs my lighting and color space knowledge;)

If it wasn't for spell check, you guys would have migraines after reading my posts. Actually, I probably wouldn't be a presence in any forum if spell check didn't exist..
You should see my bosses writing. Dyslexic to the Max! Can't even use spellcheck, wouldn't know which spelling to use. Has a Ph.D. though! Memos from him can be a challenge to read! BUT HE GETS PAID A LOT more than I do!

:shock:

Don
 
DonRicklin;85'7 said:
You should see my bosses writing. Dyslexic to the Max! Can't even use spellcheck, wouldn't know which spelling to use. Has a Ph.D. though! Memos from him can be a challenge to read! BUT HE GETS PAID A LOT more than I do!

:shock:

Don
It's a shame I'm self employed.. The only person I can ask for a raise is me. ;)
 
Woah, leave you guys alone for a day and all heck breaks loose :lol:

Seriously, thanks Victoria, Jon and Ken, I've learned some more.

It appears that some of my comments have added fuel to debate (confusion?) between Victoria's and Jon's comments. To summarize and clarify where my (newb) position is between both of them:

The spirit of my original question was: given I'm shooting mostly RAW (which renders the decision of which color space to use in-camera a non-decision), what bearing does my choice of color space (in-camera) have when I'm evaluating exposure via histograms (again, in camera).

Victoria provided observations that using the Adobe space in-camera would render slightly more accurate histograms that would also more closely match what I would see in LR.

That said, I did start moving the conversation a bit from camera to PP, specifically:

...I'm better off shooting in Adobe in-camera instead of sRGB (remembering that I'll have to convert back to sRGB on export rather than rely on profiles) to get a better idea of exposure in the field.

That said, given most of my work will be for the web and will therefore be exported as sRGB, I'm wondering if I'm maybe better off leaving my camera set to sRGB to evaluate exposure?

I realize that the histogram on the camera will have little bearing on what the final output will be after I edit the RAW files -- I guessing what I may be missing is the connection between what I see in LR (and/or PS) histograms and what I may be clipping once exported under sRGB (jpeg), apologies if my questions (logic?) have/has some holes. I also realize that histograms aren't the be-all-end-all and that there's quite a few other technical factors to consider, not to mention personal taste and/or subjective factors as well.

I think this is what Jon picked up on when commenting that I may be better off sticking with one color space, likely sRGB, given that I'm still new to most of this -- in that context (I believe) your points are very valid Jon.

Victoria, thanks for the vote of confidence, I do have a better grip on all of this and in theory should be okay working in two different spaces... more so after I take your suggestion to look at a file in ACR with different spaces to learn how to find the limits between the two.

In the name of (more) clarity, here's the "but":

I like the idea of shooting RAW in the Adobe color space for evaluative purposes.... Okay, so now I have some shots on my camera that I'm happy with (exposure, composition, focus, etc etc)

Now I move my raw files into LR and edit away. RAW lets us change all manner of things and the original in-camera histogram really doesn't amount to much anyway now, except for the whole notion that I think learning to take better photographs should start when shooting the photo and then tweak later -- and FWIW, I'm not going to suggest that notion is an argument to shoot JPEGs instead of RAW files.

More fuel: So I've edited my files in LR (or PS, or NX and back to LR) and I'm ready to export to sRGB.

BUT! From Jon's observation, when in LR I'm working in a space named "Melissa", which is neither Adobe 1998 nor sRGB but is close to ProPhoto. I understand that.

So... if I'm working in color space "Melissa" for edits, does it just all come down to experience on how to evaluate the working histogram so that the resulting sRGB JPEG (after export) isn't clipped anywhere? Am I missing something basic?? Would evaluating histograms of RAW files in-camera shot in sRGB help avoid issues after you import into "Melissa" and export back to sRGB???

Hmm.

I may be way off base here, but right now, I'd love to have an option to view a histogram of a JPEG file (or any other format) that would result after export that changes the color space (which is always going to be the case with RAW files in LR) -- but only I'd like to be able to see it before I export.

I suspect that experience is the answer here again, so as mentioned earlier, I think I'm better off to stop thinking so much and keep mucking till I get there.

Jon thanks for the link on bit depths... I know more but as always have more questions, I'll save those for another thread later on down the road.

Cheers, Sean
 
Sean was asking about the differences that the colour space had on the histogram, and the AdobeRGB setting will give a histogram closer to the raw file's histogram he'll see in LR. Sean's rapidly getting a good understanding of the differences in colour spaces, otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it. So you're quite right, for anyone who doesn't understand it, stick to a single colour space.
I didn't read the blurb about using the color space for histo purposes. Sounds like a pretty good idea. I never considered this ;)

To answer Seans question about color spaces sRGB Adobe, Melissa & whatever wacky name they come up with...
In summary, as long as you are transferring images from one defined color space to another. You won't see any issues.

It's when you go from a non managed color workspace to a managed workspace is when you run into a majority of problems.

So, You will be able to import your RAW images, and output them as sRGB, aRGB or whatever you want w/ no worries as long as you have at least a rudimentary understanding of color spaces. (which you already do!){now THAT'S a run on sentence!}

Something I'll warn you about at this point is to try and KISS. If you don't need something in your workflow. Don't do it just because some "pro" is jumping up and down about it.

The only other thing I'd recommend is using hardware such as EyeOne, Spyder or Huey to give you a fighting chance at WSYSIG.

Best,
 
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