adding unwanted keyword when exporting

[paulprescott72]

Hello
every time I export photos after keywording them, I always end up with an unwanted keyword "Yoga".

I can't seem to locate the place when I can disable this keyword, nor why it adds it.

If anyone has any idea, could you please enlighten me.

Thanks

Paulp
http://www.paulprescott.com

 

[paulprescott72]

How can we get the problem seen by LR programmers, so they can address these issues. At the end of the day it is a program writing error. These issues should help them correct issues such as these.

Regarding creating temp files, I dont wanna mess around with this...maybe as a last resource, but I wanna try and sort this in a clear manner.

I appreciate your help...I'll pay for beers when we sort this. Or a Yoga lesson!! hehe

 

[Brad Snyder]

I think I outlined a very clear procedure for solving the problem without temp files. If you want to send me your catalog, I'll fix it for you.

In the end, your position is untenable, because your keyword list is so long/flat as to be unworkable. Why there's a limit on the scroll, who knows, but trust me, it's not going to be fixed/changed in time to do you any good. No matter about the yoga problem, you're going to need a different strategy.

Without reading back thru the entire thread, refresh my memory, have you selected the keyword yoga, right clicked to 'Edit Keyword Properties', and deselected the 'Include on Export' checkbox?

 

[paulprescott72]

Without reading back thru the entire thread, refresh my memory, have you selected the keyword yoga, right clicked to 'Edit Keyword Properties', and deselected the 'Include on Export' checkbox?

Brad, no I did not. there are three options when clicking on EDIT KEYWORD TAG:
-Include on export
-Export containing keywords
-export synonyms

I think the second one would be more appropriate, no?

I 'll try and see

 

[johnbeardy]

Brad, have you tried importing that text file? I don't see why you're focussing on the 16'' item Windows issue (it's because Adobe coded the keywords list as a single control, and apparently there's a 32k pixel limit on the size of a single Windows control).

From Paul's last screenshot, he needs to get rid of the filter, expand yoga, and drag child keywords out of yoga. He can drag a few at a time.

 

[paulprescott72]

Brad, no I did not. there are three options when clicking on EDIT KEYWORD TAG:
-Include on export
-Export containing keywords
-export synonyms

I think the second one would be more appropriate, no?

I 'll try and see

-Export containing keywords DOES NOT SOLVE MY PROB
I will try with INCLUDE ON EXPORT
but the only problem I see it that if I do want Yoga in one of my photos it won't export.....Ill try now

 

[paulprescott72]

So that is what I thought UNTICKING "-Include on export" does not export the word yoga, even for the photos where I have yoga related photos.

At least I can use this function for all my other photos and deactivate when I have Yoga related photos.

Thanks guys, and if you find a solution, other than having to TEMP keywording, I will be happy.

 

[Brad Snyder]

Johm, my point with the 16'', was that he couldn't scroll down far enough to see yoga in the Keyword List panel. If you enter Yoga in the keyword filter, you can see Yoga, but its child keywords are filtered out and you can't access them. Catch-22.

Yes, I agree the main thrust was to drag the children out to the top level, he just can't get there from here.

Aaaah. Bright Idea time

Paul, you still there?

In the filter keywords box, under Keyword List, enter yoga.
When yoga appears, right click it, and rename it _yoga.
Clear the filter keywords box.
_yoga should now be at the top of the list, drag the child keywords out to the top level as explained above.
When they're all removed, rename _yoga back to yoga, and reset the export flag, that you just fixed in the post above.

 

[Mark Sirota]

Brad: Brilliant!

 

[Brad Snyder]

Fingers crossed.

 

[Victoria Bampton]

Wow, Brad, impressive bit of lateral thinking!!!

 

[Denis Pagé]

And if you can't drag-and-drop because these are beyond the visible keyword limit, then I'd suggest selecting the images with yoga in them and exporting those as a catalog. In that catalog, perhaps you'll be able to do the drag-and-drop.

Then you'd re-import those into your main catalog, which would fix the images.

Now you'd have to export your keyword list and edit that, then re-import it, to fix the keyword list itself.

If some other Guru could double-check me on whether that would work, I'd appreciate it. Haven't done any testing on this one.

No Lightroom at work so, once home, I downloaded Paul's Keywords file (LR_pp.txt). Then I created a new Catalog and imported those. I easily dragged those beneath Yoga as top level and exported as LR_pp_FIX.txt.

The content of the new file was starting with 5'' as expected, the word Yoga appeared far below after the Ws but! The paragraph like group of words at the beginning was still there. Not seeing any tight relation between them, I just put them on their own lines without the extra spaces convinced that the alphabelital order was of no importance at this point. In fact, you can import keywords randomly and more than once from different files if needed.

Back to Lightroom having no images imported, I choose Menu, Metadata, Purge Unused Keywords to go back to a new Catalog state. I then reimported LR_pp_FIX.txt and all keywords fell in place alphabetically.

As Paul did not sent his Catalog (we do not need images nor previews, just the .lrcat), I wasn't able to test if I can reimport with it not loosing the relationship with his photos and see if the hirearchy will change or stay the same. THIS, I DO NOT KNOW!

So, again Paul, it is suggested that you send us your .lrcat file so I (we) can repair without importing/exporting keywords. I just wonder how to proceed depending on the size of that file. My FTP site is down for the moment... :frown:

In case you want to play with it yourself Paul, be sure to have a WORKING backup of your Catalog and here is the fixed keywords file you can import back as an attachement.

 

[Brad Snyder]

Denis, from previous experience, I suspected that tinkering with the exported keyword file wouldn't work. Well, actually I expected to be able to fix the keyword list, but I didn't expect those changes to appear as correctly applied keywords.

I've been playing with a small test catalog, and it seems to be as I suspected.

In this catalog, I exported the keyword list. In a text editor, I removed the tabs from the child keywords test1 and test2 under parent _Earth.
I then cut keyword graduation from the list, and indented it as a child keyword under Sarah Snyder. In the screen shots, those are the red arrows.

I then reimported the keyword list. You can see the result in the red box in the attached shot. The 'adds' were processed, but not the 'deletes'. And none of the applied keywords were changed. Notice that the counts of all keywords are unchanged.

Imported keywords are treated strictly as adds. There's no synchronization of deletes and moves.

 

[johnbeardy]

Johm, my point with the 16'', was that he couldn't scroll down far enough to see yoga in the Keyword List panel. If you enter Yoga in the keyword filter, you can see Yoga, but its child keywords are filtered out and you can't access them. Catch-22.

Why then, when I import that keywords list, does Lightroom tell me it's importing 25' items and why is yoga perfectly visible at the top of my keywording list?

Anyway, on the "too many cooks..." basis, I'm going to pull out of this thread. I don't think it helps the OP. Feel free to consider the above questions but there's no need to answer them here.

John

 

[Victoria Bampton]

John, I think Brad's thinking that the keyword list only starts at Y, and is therefore only a tiny part of Paul's full keyword list.

 

[Denis Pagé]

Denis, from previous experience, I suspected that tinkering with the exported keyword file wouldn't work. Well, actually I expected to be able to fix the keyword list, but I didn't expect those changes to appear as correctly applied keywords.

Thanks for checking Brad, I was also afraid of this.
So we are back to asking Paul for the .lrcat file are we?

 

[Mark Sirota]

No, Brad's earlier brilliant suggestion to rename "yoga" to "_yoga", then pull out the children, then rename it back, should work and will fix the problem completely.

 

[Brad Snyder]

John, I think Brad's thinking that the keyword list only starts at Y, and is therefore only a tiny part of Paul's full keyword list.

Yes, Paul said it was just a portion of the list, and that the full list only scrolled to 'Craft' in the Keyword List panel. If he's in the 16'''s in the C's , that's a massive list.

 

[paulprescott72]

Brad
I think you are great. You cracked it. I cannot move all the keywords at once, cos it crashes LR, but I will do it gradually.

Ultimately, my question is, How the Heck did those keywords end up under Yoga, so I am sure never to do that mistake again

 

[johnbeardy]

Brad - all I can say is that Lightroom reported his keyword list was only 25' long, though I've not opened the keywords export file and counted the lines. The brutal truth (sorry Paul) is that you can't rely on what a user describes if he's succeeded in getting himself into this mess.

Paul, my guess is that at some stage you may have selected Yoga and then chosen the context menu item "put all new keywords inside this Keyword" Or it could be that you dragged those keywords and dropped them onto Yoga.

 

[Brad Snyder]

John, I think Paul just sent us the last truncated little bit of the export file, starting with yoga, rather than the whole export.

I think you and I just went down two different supposition trails, from there. Your suggestions were absolutely correct if that was the whole file, but I suspected that it wasn't from other things Paul said.

 

[Mark Sirota]

Paul was quite explicit that it wasn't the whole file. He wrote, "ok here is the file, but only starting with the word yoga".

 

[Victoria Bampton]

Ok, we're going off topic a little now!

 

[johnbeardy]

Paul was quite explicit that it wasn't the whole file. He wrote, "ok here is the file, but only starting with the word yoga".

Thanks Mark - hadn't noticed that.