Use a certain lens profile on non-RAW images?

[Jürgen]

Lightroom Version Number

Lightroom Classic version 9.1

Operating System

1. Windows 10

Hi there,

I wonder how I can use a specific lens profile (that LR is using on my RAW) for JPG and TIF? My case: Have a RAW, that LR automatically uses the (correct) profile [Make: Canon] - [Model Canon EF 16-35mm F4/L IS USM] - [Profile: Adobe (Canon EF 16-35 ... v2)]. When doing something with this RAW in an external program and importing the resulting JPG oder TIF back into LR, it doesn't find a lens. "No problem" me thinks and click on the pulldown menu for "Make" (which says "None"). I can select "Canon". Then in "Model" I only get a very limited list of old lenses. Seems, as if LR has two places to look for profiles and uses the one (newer, more) automatically, but when I want to select a profile, it looks at some very old folder, with just a few lenses? I can I check out what's going on and correct it?

regards, Jürgen

 

[Hal P Anderson]

Most lens profiles are for raw files, not for JPEGs or TIFFs. Can you apply the profile while the file is still raw, before you pass the file to the external editor?

If not, there is a way to hack a raw lens profile to work with non-raw images. I've never done it, but Google will probably guide you to a description of what you have to do.

 

[Jürgen]

Most lens profiles are for raw files, not for JPEGs or TIFFs. Can you apply the profile while the file is still raw, before you pass the file to the external editor?

If not, there is a way to hack a raw lens profile to work with non-raw images. I've never done it, but Google will probably guide you to a description of what you have to do.

I didn't know about those profiles only working on RAW, so your post was putting me on the right track. Thank you! It works now, and changing the LCP wasn't hard. Found this post (by Steve
Sprengel) and it still works.
https://feedback.photoshop.com/phot...pplied_for_jpg_captures_only_for_raw_captures
What I wanted to do, was having Photomatix make an HDR out of one single RAW, so I couldn't change the photo with the profile corrections.

 

[Johan Elzenga]

You can’t make an HDR from a single raw image. No matter how many copies of the raw file you combine, the result will have a dynamic range that is identical to the dynamic range of the single raw file. But that’s another story, of course.

 

[Jürgen]

You can’t make an HDR from a single raw image. No matter how many copies of the raw file you combine, the result will have a dynamic range that is identical to the dynamic range of the single raw file. But that’s another story, of course.

Photomatix has a function where you load _one_ RAW and it makes an HDR out of it. I guess it loads that one RAW and makes 2 copies in memory, one brighter and one darker, and I just wanted to see how the result will be. It was better than expected, but certainly not as good as a real processed HDR image from more than one original.

 

[Johan Elzenga]

Photomatix has a function where you load _one_ RAW and it makes an HDR out of it. I guess it loads that one RAW and makes 2 copies in memory, one brighter and one darker, and I just wanted to see how the result will be. It was better than expected, but certainly not as good as a real processed HDR image from more than one original.

Yeah I know it does have that. But like I said, that does not result in an HDR image, or even an image with higher dynamic range.

 

[Jürgen]

Yeah I know it does have that. But like I said, that does not result in an HDR image, or even an image with higher dynamic range.

Yes, you're certainly right. I could get the same result in LR with 2 virtual copies and one I push to(o) bright the other to(o) dark and make that into "HDR". No one would be surprised if that wouldn't be called HDR.

 

[Johan Elzenga]

Yes, you're certainly right. I could get the same result in LR with 2 virtual copies and one I push to(o) bright the other to(o) dark and make that into "HDR".

No, you could not. I never tried it but I’m pretty sure that Lightroom would give an error, telling you that you cannot generate an HDR from two virtual copies of the same raw file.

You are missing the point. An image (raw or otherwise) has a certain dynamic range. Using the same image twice, with different edits, does not change that because edits don’t affect the dynamic range. You’ll end up with the same dynamic range as the original, so you could create the exact same effect with just a single image. If you like the effect that Photomatix gives you, then by all means use this. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that you somehow increased the dynamic range. It’s just a gimmick, nothing more.

 

[Jürgen]

No, you could not. I never tried it but I’m pretty sure that Lightroom would give an error, telling you that you cannot generate an HDR from two virtual copies of the same raw file.

You are missing the point. An image (raw or otherwise) has a certain dynamic range. Using the same image twice, with different edits, does not change that because edits don’t affect the dynamic range. You’ll end up with the same dynamic range as the original, so you could create the exact same effect with just a single image. If you like the effect that Photomatix gives you, then by all means use this. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that you somehow increased the dynamic range. It’s just a gimmick, nothing more.

Okay, you keep coming back to it, so let me put it this way.

I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT ENHANCING THE DYNAMIC RANGE.

 

[Johan Elzenga]

OK, so we agree.